Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tribe of Mic-O-Say (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. NawlinWiki 18:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Tribe of Mic-O-Say (2nd nomination)
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Second nomination. This article appears to fail the verifiability criteria in its current form. Interestingly, an ISBN search suggests that cited references seem not to exist in the ISBN database under those ISBN numbers, suggesting that some or all of this article may be a hoax.

Although the previous AfD voted "keep", this was entirely based on voting by respondents to the AfD, rather than by providing sources.

Suggest deletion unless mainstream sources can be provided.

Please note: Since this AfD nomination regards the verifiability criteria, please provide verifiable third party sources, rather than just voting "keep". Karada 12:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong delete -- Unverifiable, dubious sources, and non-notable. This is coming from an Eagle Scout and OA member.  /Blaxthos 14:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, plus: the article seems to be an attack page against OA. Nyttend 14:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article you are wanting to delete is one that has been badly vandalized by an anon user, who had been warned earlier at User talk:24.41.62.216 on June 5 about edits to this article. This accounts for the attack stuff about the BSA. I have reverted all the edits of July 1 back to the version 12:17, 26 June 2007 by Canjth. Please use that to determine notability. If I missed something valuable added by User:Marmotboy666, I apologise. Please add it back. --Bduke 00:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * weak keep - article needs more references, but Mic-O-Say is mildly notable as it is a major aspect in a several councils of the BSA as an alternative to the Order of the Arrow. I personally don't agree with it, but that doesn't make it non-encyclopedic.  Justinm1978 00:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * weak keep per justinm1978 Rlevse 01:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDuke. --evrik (talk) 02:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * strong keep-this is a historically notable, recognized component of the BSA program, and recent vandalisms should not make it worthy of deletion. Chris 05:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * comment - historically notable, yes, but not a recognized component of the "BSA program". It is a recognized component of the Boy Scout program in a few councils, but is vastly unknown in the rest of the Boy Scout program.  The AfD nomination isn't about the notability though, it's about the verifiability.  It's very tough to find anything that isn't self-published regarding the subject, and that's what needs to be addressed to avoid deletion, I think. Justinm1978 02:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and cleanup the non vandalized article - too much peripheral info like who attended the 75th anniversary... -- Trödel 14:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per above ¿SFGi Д nts!  ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 21:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - I won't argue or discuss the existence of the cited reference books. However, I strongly disagree with the statements about the article being "an elaborate hoax". Try doing a Google search on "Mic-O-Say". There are lots of web sites referencing it. Plus, for verifiability, try going to the camp. It is quite easy to see that it is real. I started in the program almost 40 years ago, and I can attest to the accuracy of the bulk of the article. While there are flaws and mistakes within any article in Wikipedia, this one seems very accurate. RSStockdale 03:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - This article NEEDS to be kept. Tons of people, including me, still use it. It's just like any other important article. 642Mystery 15:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.