Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trinbagonian nationalism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Proposals to move the article to a different title are better dealt with through WP:RM. bd2412 T 18:16, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Trinbagonian nationalism

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Essentially an essay about cultural identity in Trinidad and Tobago, it is comprised almost entirely of original research. None of the provided sources use the phrase "Trinbagonian nationalism", or even just "nationalism", and many seem to have very loose relationships with the claims that they supposedly support in the text. A google scholar search for "Trinbagonian nationalism" indicates that it's possible that a good article could be written on this topic with reliable sources, but it would require a complete rewrite from the current revision. signed,Rosguill talk 01:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - clear-cut case of WP:A11 (coined by article author). Tagging in case an admin agrees. Kirbanzo (talk) 01:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * - That's what I get for jumping to conclusions. Still, voting delete. Kirbanzo (talk) 01:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. More than a hasty move to AfD, this seems a case of WP:CIR and WP:BITE. This article refers to nationalism among Trinidadians and Tobagonians; as you may see in the article just linked, Trinbagonian is just another term for the people of Trinidad and Tobago. A quick look at Books and Scholar shows that the term is appropriately used in scholarly circles. In fact, it is essential, and it is better known as "Trinidadians and Tobagonians" nationalism: Books and Scholar (I have access to even more references). You cannot discuss Trinbagonian politics broadly without referring to this nation's nationalism. The term simply refers to the universal "political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of" this particular nation (Trinidad and Tobago). To reiterate: the demonym Trinidadians and Tobagonians is interchangeable with Trinbagonian.


 * It may read as an essay. But it seems that user:SammyJ1234 began this article in the best way they could (here) when they noticed its lamentable absence from the English Wikipedia. When they requested a peer-review for the article, they showed more than good intentions. We need more attention on these topics. But rather than driving away new editors who are willing to put in the time and energies in filling up the gaps in areas where we badly need help, we should welcome them, thank them for their efforts, and lend them a hand (WP:LOSE2WIN). BTW, this AfD should be listed also in WikiProject Caribbean. Den... (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:57, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:57, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you hugely for your support! I am desperate to improve this article and keep it up on Wikipedia. I'm happy to wait for editors to confer, but have taken your recommendations and am working to improve the article following your guidance.--SammyJ1234 (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Draftify - Wow. Full of original research.  At some point, after lots of work, might be ready for mainspace, but clearly not now.  Onel 5969  TT me 01:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename. I completely agree with . This is a notable and worthwhile article topic, albeit currently quite poorly-written and with an undesirable title plus a lack of encyclopaedia tone. Once improved (and its current essay-like state is no reason for deleting it) it should fill an important gap in this encyclopaedia. I have created a redirect to it from Nationalism in Trinidad and Tobago, and I hope it will be moved to that as its main title once this discussion is concluded. The subject of nationalism within Trinidad and Tobago appears to have been written about in a well-cited publication entitled Race and Nationalism in Trinidad and Tobago: A study of Decolonization in A Multiracial Society by Selwyn D. Ryan, 1972, as well as in the collaborative university website already cited in this article, as well as in this book. These alone ought to demonstrate that nationalism in these islands is an important encyclopaedic topic. But if the article creator can't swiftly fix these issues, then 's proposal to convert back to a draft for the time being is not at all an unreasonable one. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Not about its subject. It's an essay about the country, very little of the article is about nationalism. Maproom (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Move to Nationalism in Trinidad and Tobago. Even Nom admits the subject is notable, it is important to remember WP:DINC. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 19:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. Move? Delete? Keep? Draftify? Fairly evenly split.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 06:18, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Move or Redirect to Nationalism in Trinidad and Tobago per User talk:AlessandroTiandelli33 FOARP (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Topic is real, and the name "Trinbagonian nationalism" is not an invention of the page author (it gets a few hits on Google Books and Google Scholar.) I don't really understand the justification for move/redirect, so I say keep. SJK (talk) 17:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep (and weak move) - I think there certainly is grounds for this. I don't think the status of the article is quite so dire as to necessitate removal. I am pro the keep because I think it is a term more likely to be looked for, but there is relatively little loss if it stays here and a new redirect is put in. There is sufficient sourcing to demonstrate the topic exists. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.