Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triple The Mogul


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The result was delete. BD2412 T 04:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Triple The Mogul

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promotional piece for a non notable rapper who falls short of WP:SINGER & WP:GNG. He is allegedly a businessman but per WP:ANYBIO & WP:BASIC he doesn’t still qualify. Celestina007 (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I Added more information and context on his rap career which was posted on complex magaznine, which is a notable and reliable source, therefore having 2 notable sources and 2 distinct events. https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2013/06/bernie-madoffs-nephew-is-an-aspiring-rapper "In March 2013, Triple The Mogul released his first Mixtape "Madoff Monopoly" which featured his song "Bernie Madoff Familia", a remix to Rick Ross' song B.M.F. [1] [2] Rapper Shyne tweeted about the video. [3] In July 2013 he released his second mixtape "Rich Off My Yichus" which fetaured his song "Hasaybah"
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 * Delete per nom, not notable. Caro7200 (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Pure promo. Not notable. pburka (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi sorry for sending emails. i have added a section about "Bernie Madoff Nephew Controversy" which i beleive will make the article more notable. Many major media publications and sources like NYmag, gawker, buzzfeed etc. please reconsider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs) 16:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Judging by the better sources, it was a minor publicity stunt that is not noteworthy. The content in the article did not properly summarize the material in the better sources. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * also included this line and source to increase notaility "He then released a music video for his song "Gold Kippah" which has over 1 Million views on the popular website Worldstar HipHop" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs) 16:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nobody is writing about him in WP:SECONDARY sources, not in any significant depth. The number of views of his one video is not conclusive: it could be manipulated. Binksternet (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

ballin4ever3 (talk) 08:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)*
 * Keep. Added more notable information such as verified instagram account and affiliation with Don Q "His instagram page has over 280,000 followers and he works with rappers Trill Sammy and Don Q "


 * See WP:NUMFRIENDS. It doesn't matter how many famous friends or followers he has. Notability is determined by significant coverage in reliable sources. From the sources provided, if he's notable at all, it's only for WP:ONEEVENT. pburka (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * You wouldn't consider the A) 1 Million views on "Gold Kippah" and B) Bernie Madoff nephew controversy as 2 notable events with significant coverage from reliable sources? Gold Kippah was on Worldstar Hip Hop which Alexa ranked the site 235th in site traffic in the United States, and other blogs like Hip Hop Vibe and Bang It Out. The Bernie Madoff nephew controversy was obviously covered on reliable sources like Buzzfeed, NY Mag, and Gawker. I think that should qualify. ballin4ever3 (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Please provide evidence that reliable sources (e.g. newspapers or magazines) wrote about his video getting a million views. pburka (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Here is evidence from Bang It Out which is a Jewish magazine https://www.bangitout.com/behold-yeshiva-gangsta-rap/ the 1 million views are real and conclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs) 01:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


 * That article doesn't actually talk about the number of views. In fact, it's all of about 3 sentences. That's not significant coverage. I strongly encourage you to carefully read the following pages: WP:GNG and WP:COI. Your achievements don't make you notable on Wikipedia. The only thing that counts is significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. pburka (talk) 01:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


 * You would think that a video viewed a million times would generate some comment in WP:SECONDARY sources, but when I searched for "Gold Kippah" I found six pages of gold-threaded or gold-colored Jewish skull caps. It wasn't until the seventh page that this webpage showed up in the search results. And take a look at the comments; nobody can believe the number of views because the video is so bad. Binksternet (talk) 17:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I Added more information and context on his rap career which was posted on complex magaznine, which is a notable and reliable source, therefore having 2 notable sources and 2 distinct events. https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2013/06/bernie-madoffs-nephew-is-an-aspiring-rapper "In March 2013, Triple The Mogul released his first Mixtape "Madoff Monopoly" which featured his song "Bernie Madoff Familia", a remix to Rick Ross' song B.M.F. [1] [2] Rapper Shyne tweeted about the video. [3] In July 2013 he released his second mixtape "Rich Off My Yichus" which fetaured his song "Hasaybah"[4]. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs)


 * Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. All of the references cited in the article are unreliable.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 17:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * i believe HipHop Vibe to be a credible source https://www.hip-hopvibe.com/2016/01/16/hhv-on-the-rise-video-of-the-week-triple-ft-joey-madoff-gold-kippah/ Also articles like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlay_Starr do not have any newspapers or magazines as sources and are still deemed reliable enough for a wikpedia article. Would you guys consider Respect Magazine a notable and reliable source? becuase he has old articles on that wesbite, it is a magazine and therefore should be considered a reliable source. I Added more information and context on his rap career which was posted on complex magaznine, which is a notable and reliable source, therefore having 2 notable sources and 2 distinct events. https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2013/06/bernie-madoffs-nephew-is-an-aspiring-rapper "In March 2013, Triple The Mogul released his first Mixtape "Madoff Monopoly" which featured his song "Bernie Madoff Familia", a remix to Rick Ross' song B.M.F. [1] [2] Rapper Shyne tweeted about the video. [3] In July 2013 he released his second mixtape "Rich Off My Yichus" which fetaured his song "Hasaybah"[4]. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs)


 * Comment To be fair, we give rappers a very hard time on Wikipedia. The sources aren't bad, but the article does need a lot of cleanup. Abstaining for now. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 11:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest – speedonthebeat interview

 * Here is an interview which has a lot more information directly from the subject. I do not know if the source would be considered reliable but perhaps you can include and clean up the article. https://speedonthebeat.com/2013/07/09/an-interview-with-triple-a-k-a-stuart-madoff-bernies-rapping-nephew/ ballin4ever3 (talk) 15:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That interview proves to me that you have a conflict of interest with regard to Triple the rapper. You shouldn't be trying to promote him so hard on Wikipedia.
 * Note that interviews are not usually accepted sources to prove notability. The problem with interviews is that most of the material comes from the person being interviewed, so it isn't exactly a WP:SECONDARY source. Binksternet (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * the interview in no way proves that I have a conflict of interest here, I just thought it would be relevant to include it in the discussion. I appreciate your clarification about interviews being unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylevy (talk • contribs)
 * The interview says that Triple's real name is Yaakov Levy, and that the supposed family connection to Bernie Madoff is fabricated, that Stu Madoff is a "character". Anybody with the username Ylevy working so hard to promote this topic will be assumed to have a conflict of interest. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Because i don't wanna upset you, i wanna ask if this photo would be better suited for Wikipedia. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/27/03/3FA4A8A400000578-4450060-image-a-63_1493260562847.jpg it is similar to the photo that you flagged for deletion but has no copyright tag of "Hollywood Fix" ballin4ever3 (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Delete based on Binksternet (talk) insight/investigation above. Not a good faith use of wikipedia, but promotional. If a different editor were to recreate this page for this person it would perhaps lead to a more objective AfD, but I doubt it would hold up based on the weakness of the sources. All of them are promotional in nature be it through social media or insignificant coverage, not one is reflective of an accomplishment that would make this subject notable. ShelbyMarion (talk) 04:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * if the article was rewritten with media coverage from a magazaine (lets say Respect Magazine) about him giving Mac Miller his Kippah to use on Wild N Out (watch this YouTube Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKTOzPEeB8) the video cuts to show him at 1 minute in, and the video has 5 million views. Would you consider that a significant accomplishment or at least a part of one? ballin4ever3 (talk) 11:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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