Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tristan Connelly


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The result was delete without prejudice against a request to refund to draft if further information supporting notability develops. bd2412 T 05:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Tristan Connelly

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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Currently had only one fight under top tier promotion and with a record of 6 losses. On average a fighter would fight only 1-2 fights in a year in UFC and it is WP:TOOSOON and subject fails WP:MMABIO which requires at least 3 fight under top promotion (UFC). Possibility of WP:COI here - see here 1 and here 2. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:04, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 01:04, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

While i would agree it is a bit soon to make it he does have a 4 fight contract with the UFC so he will have more then 3 fights in the promotion. i think with how his debut went he deserves to be acknowldged he has lost 6 but only because of rough start going 3-4 in his first 7 bouts, but hes significantly imporved winnning his last 9 out of 10 fights he also has one fight Deep (mixed martial arts) which was a subcontractor for PRIDE back in the day(second tier and also on the list of applicable organisations in here WP:MMABIO) he also fought several bouts in Armageddon FC(now known as World Series of Fighting: Canada) another second tier promotion that provides talent picks for the UFC. the UFC has confirmed that his career will continue Tsims23 (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


 * *comment. Regardless how you look at it, subject still fail WP:MMABIO. Those fights are not tier one fights. Secondly, it is no guarrantee of a fighters will sercure 3 fights in UFC. UFC is not a organisation like FIFA, it is a "promotion company" they do what they want abide by the contract signed with the fighters. Many fighters have good record and got released or traded off - we all remember Demetrious Johnson who defended his title consecutive title defenses with 11 times which is the UFC record got traded off and Jon Fitch was released then he was to 10 in his division and many more.  You might have a WP:COI here as the subject asked you personally to create the page for him - see here 1 and here 2. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 05:01, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


 * *comment rate now yes but when he makes his next appearance he will have 2 fights in UFC and one in Deep making up his 3 fights needed to pass WP:MMABIO, and i know what you are saying but those are different circumstances. Demetrious Johnson was traded in a co-promotional deal with One FC. we got Ben Askrin, they got him. he wanted to got tho and Jon Fitch started a massive lawsuit against the UFC for lack of compensation in terms of ppv an video games sales, he was joined by like 6 other athletes all of them have since been released(Not to mention Dana whites actual beef with jon fitch the 2 hate eachother, he could bascially kick fitch out whenever just how he talked to and about Dana violates his contract). 4 fight and 8 fight contracts are actually binding with the UFC(they will give the amount of fights signed upon) yes we do alot of releases but thats because the UFC can release fighters that have broken the contracts obligations(ex.losing 4 fights in a row, refusing to fight, or be involved with USADA failed tests, there is also other things basically anything that would get u fired from a normal job) i dont believe he will be released the (based on recent preformance and popularity) and the the fact he won Performance of the night on debut.. on 5 days notice the UFC is fond o that stuff(they even praised him for stepping up on such sort notice) so i can basically garentee he will atleast finish is 4 fight contract. and also what is a WP:COI when i click on it, it says page isnt made yet. i tweeted to him about how i was making canadian fighters page or id make him one, someone commented do it rn and then he commented Do it!!, hes since thanked me says it looks great thats why i dont want deleted Tsims23 (talk) 05:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


 * *comment I didnt rate the notability based on my own personal opinion but as per WP:MMA guidelines. Deep (mixed martial arts) is second tier promotion and has not been on top tier ever since their establishment. Pride Fighting Championships was top tier promotion from 1997 - 2007. So a contract of a promoter is not qualify as top tier and in additional Price no longer a top teir since 2007 where subject fought under Deep was 2010. The link between he fought in top tier as per you opinion is far stretch. In addition, it does not matter, Dana White (President of UFC) dislike Jon Fitch and think Johnson didnt like to trash talk to promote his fight, they are released from UFC as Wikipedia take what the source state - they were released. Your guarantee (your personal opinion) of subject will be in UFC in the future play no part in passing Wp:MMABIO which is the notability guidelines we are talking here. I have fixed WP:COI link as per above (my apologies for linking it incorrectly on my previous comment). Pls read WP:COI and WP:MMABIO. Thank you.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:11, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete This fighter is in the same position as the recently deleted Vince Murdock. He has 1 top tier fight, a victory, but there's no guarantee he will get two more top tier fights.  The UFC has signed many fighters to multiple fight contracts and let them go after a couple of fights.  I like his chances of becoming notable, but it isn't guaranteed, and WP notability is an after-the-fact kind of thing--no WP:CRYSTALBALL allowed.  The coverage is typical sports reporting and doesn't show that WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 21:46, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * delete I think he's more likely to become notable than Murdock, but based on the comments I've seen at the past couple of MMA deletion discussions I think deleting (as opposed to putting this into draft space) is the right thing to do. He fails to meet WP:NMMA or the GNG. It will probably take close to a year for him to get two more top tier fights, if he ever does. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Sandals1 (talk) 12:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


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