Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tritonville Road


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. —  Aitias  // discussion 21:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Tritonville Road

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Non-notable road. While Ulysses is obviously notable, just because the road is mentioned in the book itself does not give it the right to have an article itself, no matter how famous the book. Balloholic (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - is this up to WP:50k? No. Grutness...wha?  22:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep these are suburbs of Dublin. Dublin metropolitan area has a population of 1.7 million. Thats enough for 34 streets. Given that it's the capital, it has an importance even more than ordinary for the size. Multiple by 2. Given importance in literature, and not just from Joyce, another 2. =128. The 50k figure is totally unofficial--I'd set it closer to 10k. Category Category:Streets in Dublin has 70 articles at present. Of course, there are a great many streets mentioned in Joyce's works. Probably all of them are in fact significant in the framework of the novel, and the significance of  his exact geographical settings is a major critical theme--more so than in most books. Certainly every person place or thing in his books has been commented on-- see the article on the novel for where to find them.DGG (talk) 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Tritonville Road is not a suburb, it's a road. --Balloholic (talk) 13:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirected - to Locations in Ulysses (novel) Per previous. --Balloholic (talk) 01:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * With regards to Dublin being the capital it could be argued that Cork is the capital of the People's Republic. Does it follow this rule? No. --Balloholic (talk) 14:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Sandstein   10:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Severely strong delete. A mention in a novel is not significant enough to have an article on an encyclopedia of this type. It can be mentioned in the novel or an article on locations in that novel. That should be enough really. No need for snow. It is simply a map of a small countryside road (relatively to Dublin city centre) in prose. --Balloholic (talk) 13:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Balloholic is the same editor who put this article up for deletion. travb (talk) 17:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Footnote to NOTE This is worth restoring because of the possibility the nominator can be counted twice. The usual practice is that the nominator need not !vote.  If it is right below the nom, it is harmless, but nominator !votes deep in the discussion have caused problems.John Z (talk) 02:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per User:DGG. travb (talk) 17:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, it is just a road, delete as it only has local notability. Tavix (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG's arguments, particularly the Joyce connections. --Oakshade (talk) 05:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * COMMONSENSE sees it go the ulysses locations article surely. I would think it should be deleted but I am open to the redirect if anyone else is. --Balloholic (talk) 17:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My common sense tells me that
 * the importance (or notability) of streets is likely to be much higher in cities of commercial, political, or literary importance, and that therefore a numerical rule for all makes little sense.
 * The historic downtown districts of long-established cities are likely to have a very high proportion of streets that will be notable
 * The importance of named streets used in literary works will depend both upon the importance of the work and the manner in which it makes use of the geography. To quote a standard reference work, "Joyce's Ulysses is probably the most conscientiously topographical novel ever written" (David Daiches & John Flower, Literary Landscpes of the British Isles NY: Paddington, 1979 ISBN 0448222051). DGG (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please note. The above user has left an identical contradictory comment here, a so-called "downtown district" that is actually running along a beach. Please consult before leaving further comment. This user has potentially a COI and seems to want to keep every road in Dublin even ones outside the city centre. I sugest it be established how far this user is from Dublin although that will not be enough. Thank you. --Balloholic (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * which road are we discussing? Tritonville Rd is not along a beach. And, true, I admit I sometimes type a word when I have another article in a large batch in mind. I think its happened all of twice this month. But what potential COI I have I can not imagine. It's not as if I were a deletionist everywhere else except for Dublin. DGG (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would watch your wording. I am on Dublin currently. It may seem like I have a vendetta but that is because of the attention that all of you are attracting in pushing your point and discussing among each other on your separate user pages. I remind you that this is not a vote. You have to give a valid reason and simply cannot keep things because they are down the road from you. At least I am offering reasons that are genuine and am unbiased because I have no connection to Dublin. There has never been this much attention in any other place and it just shows how big and biased everyone is for Dublin. I take that as you admitting your error and will be strking out what is essentially a vote with no rationale. Thanks. --Balloholic (talk) 00:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The same should be mentioned about your multiple nominations of Dublin roads and towns. Please, Assume good faith. I see no erring in using the same or similar arguments in similar Afd's. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  11:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as per User:DGG Snappy (talk) 07:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Locations in Ulysses (novel) per Balloholic. There's not enough material to warrant a separate entry. All information included is either a prosified map or a mention of the novel. A redirect will point readers to the information without keeping a stub without any information. - Mgm|(talk) 16:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Just because it is VERIFIABLE doesn't mean it is NOTABLE. Trusilver  01:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.