Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropang Hudas 13 (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Salt will be applied Courcelles 04:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Tropang Hudas 13
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Non-notable Gang, none of the info in this article is confirmed from reliable sources. The gang does exist, however the validity of the article is called into question. Wildthing61476 (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. From the first AfD: Delete as unverifiable with no coverage by reliable (or even credible) sources. This gang in the Philippines appears to be a hoax. Searches for "Tropang Hudas" get only passing mentions about a minor gang in California. • Gene93k (talk) 19:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced, and probably unverifiable. It also reads like an advertisement! AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Gang has gained no notability (or verifiability) since the first AFD, which was only closed because the author had blanked the page. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Falls a hair short of being a complete hoax, but most of the contents appear to be nonsensical. No sourcing, and what's actually out there suggests this is, at best, "organized" crime's equivalent of a micronation, complete with a mythical pedigree. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol delete vote.svg Delete Possibly a hoax and non notable.  Puffin  Let's talk! 20:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Claims are unverifiable and internally inconsistent. If there's a 20 year gap, it's not continuous, is it?  Moreover, why would there need to be a system?  Why would a Filipino gang be "hiring Yakuza and Crips", and how does one switch gangs like that and remain alive? "One million members" (>1% of the Filipino population) in this gang, and nobody's heard of them? This honestly sounds like a in-game clan fiction thing, so it's not a hoax so much as "Stuff made up at school". MSJapan (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Completely fails WP:VERIFY. — Satori Son 22:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete There is some information that can be found about the most recent iteration of the gang based in Los Angeles and they might be able to pass the notability requirements. But I can find absolutely nothing about the earlier iterations of the gang or even any real connection to them and the Philippines. Considering that they were mostly based in the early 1900s, this lack of info may just be the fault of the internet not covering old topics like that very well combined with the lack of info about the Philippines in general. Whatever the reason, I can't find the sources to verify the claims presented in the article. Silver  seren C 03:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete under A7 per nom. StormContent (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reason for keeping here at all.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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