Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical Snow


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The result was Keep (Nomination withdrawn)‎ __EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Closing early, all !votes are for keep and nominator agrees to withdraw. (non-admin closure) MaxnaCarta (talk) 02:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Tropical Snow

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Article fails WP:NFO, WP:NFSOURCES and WP:SIGCOV. I found no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. I did a WP:BEFORE and found a review from The Miami Herald (via Newspapers.com). It needs one more review to be eligible for article status. The fact that it is Tim Allen's debut film appearance does not make it notable per WP:NOTINHERITED. The Film Creator (talk) 23:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. The Film Creator (talk) 23:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I would argue that a film debut of a well known actor passes WP:NFIC, as "The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of their career." Combine that with the Miami Herald review, and I feel it passes WP:NFILM  Donald D23   talk to me  03:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The film review notes: "Tropical Snow is that bleakest of low-budget entities -- an exploitation B- movie with a social conscience. ... Once Tavo and Marina ally themselves with Oskar, the risks of the trade and their own stupidity quickly bring them to a bad end. Tropical Snow is directed and acted with the sort of solemn incompetence that only the truly untalented can achieve. Even the sex scenes, which are surprisingly explicit, have a sad, desperate quality. Apart from Carradine, the actors are as unconvincing as the film is boring."  The film review notes: " Tropical Snow tells the story of Tavo (Nick Corri) and Marina (Madeleine Stowe), two Colombians who flee poverty in Bogota for the promised land of New York City. The film manages to address anxieties facing illegal aliens, but it doesn't translate them into powerful drama until the last 40 minutes. ... Writer-director Ciro Duran uses pat story conventions early on, and even an offensive cliche -- while Tavo and Marina are strolling through Bogota, two Colombian women slug it out in the street, apparently because hot-blooded Latin spitfires are supposed to do this. ... Tropical Snow owes an obvious debt to El Norte, the 1983 drama about a brother and sister who flee Guatemala for Los Angeles. The new film fails to match its predecessor's poetic strength -- until the end. Though topical, Duran's film sometimes seems as simplistic as the metaphor in his title."  The film review notes: "Along with the movie's portrayal of hot-blooded Latinos-- every man seems to have only one thing on his mind-- there are other insensitive stereotypes. ... The three leads speak English (except for their peculiar habit of referring to New York as Nuevo York). Everyone else speaks Spanish-- just watch their lips-- that is overdubbed with English. The effect is disorienting. The best thing about Tropical Snow is that it's beautifully photographed. Eduardo Serra's cinematography gives everything, even the hillside shanty towns, a tarnished glow. This Bogota doesn't look like such a bad place, and that odd detail works at cross-purposes to the story."  The film review notes: "In view of Colombia's war on local druglords, tropical becomes topical in this sluggish "exposé" on cocaine smuggling, helmed by Colombian filmmaker Ciro Duran. ... Tech credits are okay with attention paid to sleazy barroom atmosphere and hazy Bogota streets. Acting is also all right. Abundant nudity may hinder tv sales, which seems like the most obvious market, especially with current media focus on Colombia's cocaine connection. -Lent."  The book notes: "Seen as a "topical" entry because the US and Colombia fought the cartels together, Cird Duran produced the saga of cocaine smuggling shot in Bogota. Noting that this was a fictitious story, it also claimed to be an everyday occurrence. Focused on two attractive youths who spend much screen time enjoying each other's bodies, they dream of going to the US to earn dollars for themselves and their families. Unable to obtain a tourist visa, a drug dealer promises them one if they will simply carry some cocaine to JFK airport for them. The scenes are graphic, boy and girl are made to swallow over a hundred units of the drug fitted into the cut finger of surgical rubber gloves. A gruesome process at best, they must pass the material within twenty-four hours of they will die. The handsome boy does, his girl serves time in a US prison, then is returned to Colombia."  The book notes: "In view of Colombia's attempted crackdown on druglords, this movie filmed in Bogotá and Barranquilla in 1986 is at least timely. Colombian couple Nick Corri and Madeleine Stowe want to leave their country for New York to find a better life. They are offered free passage by David Carradine if they will do him a little favor — smuggle a lot of cocaine into the States."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tropical Snow to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>


 * Excellent work to Cunard. Based on the coverage I’ve seen from above, I therefore withdraw the nomination. The Film Creator (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per analysis by Cunard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agletarang (talk • contribs) 08:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


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