Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical Storm Cristobal (2002)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per Juliancolton's comment.  Sandstein  19:38, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Cristobal (2002)

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With only minimal damage and 3 deaths, this article fails WP:NOTABILITY. In fact, quite a few storms with more damage don't have articles. I say merge with 2002 Atlantic hurricane season. '' Java Hurricane  07:06, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:16, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to 2002 Atlantic hurricane season  Bobherry  Talk   Edits  14:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - It seems strange that the only impact reported in the United States was in New York.Jason Rees (talk) 15:08, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – Nomination is fundamentally flawed. WP:N is being misapplied, since it says nothing about a minimum destruction threshold for meteorological events. "Other storms with more damage don't have articles" is a documented argument to avoid and logical fallacy. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note – additional sources and details on the storm's effects are being added. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * However, this is not Hurricane Wiki where every storm should be listed, and the article itself states that the storm caused minimal damage. --'' Java Hurricane  03:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This makes no sense. Notability is explicitly not the same as importance, and you can't invoke the concept to uphold your own personal feelings about tropical cyclone significance. I've added multiple new sources detailing effects in multiple areas; would you care to comment on the quality or depth of these sources? Without referring back to the degree of damage caused – the "minimal" phrasing can be revised in a moment's notice – can you assess this article against any of the actual criteria outlined by WP:N? Please note that additional sources exist beyond those which I've incorporated. This 2014 document published by the US Army Corps of Engineers, for instance, lists Cristobal among the storms that "created significant threat to life and property" in the New York region. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My main concern was that storms with "minimal" damage don't really need articles, but since new sources quantifying the damage have been put up, I can safely say that my concerns have been addressed. Therefore, I withdraw this AFD. --'' Java Hurricane  03:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The nominator declared their intention to withdraw this submission, and the only other participant prior to that left no rationale for their vote. Surely a relist is not necessary. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


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