Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trouble in the Tunnel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 17:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Trouble in the Tunnel

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Contested PROD. Original concern was: "This game has very little significance in the lore of the Premier League, and the title seems to be totally made up. The only memorable thing about the game is a minor altercation between the captains of both sides in the tunnel beforehand. Otherwise, this was a totally run-of-the-mill game with few consequences. Even the "legacy" claimed at the end of the article is nonsense: how exactly did this specific game mark the end of these two teams' dominance of English football? This is a totally spurious article." – PeeJay 08:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – PeeJay 08:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

No less notable than the matches dubbed 'Battle of Old Trafford' and 'Battle of the Buffet', in fact what happened in the actual match itself was more notable, but all three had memorable incidents and are signifcant in the United-Arsenal rivalry of that era. This is proven by the fact that the match and the incident prior have been mentioned and remembered in the media for the past 15 years. Even earlier this season Keane talked about it on Sky Sports in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Cp-XNYAVU Lorenzo9378 (talk) 07:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - might merit mention on the player articles and the season articles for each club, but does not merit a standalone article. GiantSnowman 10:12, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Having recently watched a piece on Sky about this incident, it was a good reminder about Keane's hissy pre-match outburst in the tunnel and the game itself, which was an epic... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gemthetoad (talk • contribs) 22:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - This match and the preceding incident have recieved more enough coverage over the years to satisfy the GNG guidelines, this and it's significance in the Arsenal-United rivalry make it worthy of an article of its own. 79.68.189.135 (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The match is only really famous because of the preceding incident. Plus, there are plenty of matches that get a lot of media coverage, but aren't particularly notable encyclopaedically. This is one of those matches. What actually happened? There were no records set, no titles decided, nothing we would usually associate with a football match article on Wikipedia. We've deleted articles that have far stronger cases for notability. – PeeJay 23:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say most matches that get this level media coverage are notable encyclopaedically. Can you give any examples of match articles that have far stronger cases for notability that have been deleted previously? 17:03, 14 February 2020 (UTC)79.68.189.135 (talk)
 * But how much coverage has this game ever really had? Can you provide any sources that cover the game at any level beyond the routine? Four of the 10 references in the article are just match reports from the usual news sources (totally routine), one isn't even about this game, one refers to John O'Shea's goal (which isn't what the game is notable for, if it's even notable at all), and two of them refer to this match as part of a list of matches between United and Arsenal. I fail to see any convincing evidence for the enduring notability of this match beyond a minor spat. This deserves nothing more than a brief mention in an article about the rivalry between the two clubs, if such an article exists. – PeeJay 18:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 08:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Well sourced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Being well sourced is not an establishment of notability. – PeeJay 10:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Nfitz (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Looking at those references, they aren't really something to be notable enough for it's own article compared to the previous two in the mid 2000s between these two matches with them being only match reports brining some up case but not enough for it's own page. HawkAussie (talk) 23:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV with multiple sources over a lengthy period of time. The fact that the BBC chose to revisit this match a decade later shows sustained coverage which indicates lasting notability.4meter4 (talk) 00:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It wasn't this match that the BBC re-covered, it was the Battle of the Buffet. Please reconsider your !vote in light of this. – PeeJay 07:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.