Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trumpism in Canada


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Star  Mississippi  19:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Trumpism in Canada

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Synthesis and original research about a basically made-up concept. Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are some quality sources such as I have no opinion whether GNG is met, but if it's notable it should not concern us who made it up. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Conservatism, Politics,  and Canada.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support deletion. Article is bulked up with mentions of carrying American flags (which isn't necessarily "Trumpism"), spreading of misinformation (which isn't necessarily "Trumpism"), denouncing of Trudeau by Musk (which isn't necessarily "Trumpism"), and so on. The smaller amount that actually has to do with the article title is (a) a few politicians have been compared to Trump disputably (b) some people in the United States (tip: people in the United States are not in Canada) gave opinions about Canada (c) some people in Canada say they would vote for Trump if they were American voters, e.g. according to a poll some Conservatives did ... but notice that the poll said far more were pro-Biden yet where is the "Bidenism in Canada" article? Not there, and shouldn't be there, because if we had an article every time some Canadians expressed a favourable view of some American, the articles would consist of WP:TRIVIA sections. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:38, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The topic isn't clearly defined and the sources are not from experts. The articles seems to imply that Trumpism has spilled over into Canada when in fact Canada has long had its own right-wing populist tradition. For example, the Reform Party of Canada (anti-immigrant, Islamophobic, anti-abortion, anti-LGBT etc., pro-hanging, etc.) got 19% of the vote in the 1997 election, becoming official opposition, before merging with the Progressive Conservative Party. TFD (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Dratify This topic might be notable, but given the current state of this article, It would be best to remove this from the mainspace and go back to the drawing board. X-Editor (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong keep As the creator and primary editor of this article, I appreciate the input from the editor who called for deletion, the two editors who supported the deletion and the one editor who called for it to be "dratified". I am hoping this call for the AfD will lead to contributions by other editors towards improving, not deleting or draftifying this article. Higher quality Wikipedia articles almost always have more editors. Since it was nominated as AfD on 22 September, I have been working on it to improve it by focusing on the helpful comments left by the 3 editors who called or voted for deletion and the one editor who called for it be draftified. I will continue to look for new and more robust RS. I am grateful to Wikipedia Library for providing access to what would otherwise be difficult to access sources. Editors can always delete specific content that is not relevant without deleting the entire article. I have created sections in the article's talk page where editors can discuss content they feel is not relevant to the topic. I hope that anyone who votes on this would take the time to carefully consider the RSs where Trumpism in Canada has been discussed at length, before deciding whether this topic is "made-up", or is not notable. There is considerable discussion in the RSs on the degree to which the political and ideological movement called Trumpism emboldened what had already existed in Canada's political landscape, and/or inspired/informed/inflamed new behaviours, and this can be developed further in the article. I have also worked on describing the credentials of RS authors and using inline citations to clarify that the words are not those of the editor but the authors themselves. This helps to remove anything that may be considered to be "original research". I spend a lot of time over the years contributing to Wikipedia as a volunteer and I enjoy it; my reputation as a principled and competent Wikipedia editor who follows Wikipedia protocols is important to me. I would also like to point out that this article was reviewed by User:MSG17on 15 January 2021‎ MSG17 and was assessed as a (C) Politics (Low), Conservatism (Low), Philosophy (Low), Donald Trump (Mid), Canada (Low) Oceanflynn (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , you wrote, "There is considerable discussion in the RSs on the degree to which the political and ideological movement called Trumpism emboldened what had already existed in Canada's political landscape." Wouldn't it make more sense to have an article about what already existed in Canada, then outline how it was changed by Trump? The Ford family for example was active in Canadian politics before Trump ran for president. In fact, Daniel Dale, who became famous by writing about Doug Ford, went on to cover Trump as chief factchecker. Note that Rob Ford died before Trump was elected president. It's as if the article was written to explain right-wing politics in Canada to Americans. TFD (talk) 01:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Draftify per X-Editor 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚(🕷)  - (✉) 20:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Delete. There's a lot of good work here, but I'm not convinced it's Wikipedia work. Although reliable sources are used, the case for the topic itself as coherent is made by assembling those sources together, rather than sources severally and individually establishing it as a "thing" in the literature. So it's WP:OR. On Google scholar, the only references for "Trumpism in Canada" are three, and all by the same authors, and two are chapters from the same book. That's not enough to establish it as a subject in its own right. Other hits on scholar and google books are merely in passing. This article would be better shaped into the right genre and published in the real world.OsFish (talk) 07:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per WP:No original research. While a work of quality, sadly this is the type of work that needs to be published in an academic journal or magazine or editorial in a newspaper rather than in a wikipedia article. While sources are used, they are essentially an original synthesis of those sources rather than an accurate reflection of the actual sources themselves.4meter4 (talk) 23:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete due to inconsistency with WP:OR. Yes, there ARE some good sources in the article, as buidhe mentioned, but even they broach the subject questioningly, i.e. Is there "Trumpism" in Canada or were recent events due to pandemic fatigue, Canada's own anti-globalist movement, or something else? A possible North American Union and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of N America are examples of projects that elicited Canadian populist sentiment that could be described as Trumpist, even though they were 10+ years before his time.--FeralOink (talk) 18:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete too much original research. I'm not sure much is salvageable, or even if it would ever be worth an individual article. Maybe a sentence or two can go to articles like Populism in Canada, Fascism in Canada, Racism in Canada, and/or Trumpism. Nfitz (talk) 23:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. and others. Way too much original research, not nearly enough WP:RS-based content. Sal2100 (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


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