Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Truth (Chingiz song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 10:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Truth (Chingiz song)

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A group of stub song articles which previously competed at the Eurovision Song Contest, which were blanked-and-redirected following discussion on the WikiProject Eurovision talk page and review of Wikipedia notability guidance, specifically WP:NSONG. A large proportion of the information covered in these articles is cloned from related articles covering all aspects of a country's participation at a given contest, e.g. Germany in the Eurovision Song Contest 2018, and any relevant missing details in these articles were merged before redirection. Redirect articles may be considered notable due to their connection with the Eurovision Song Contest, and redirects were tagged with Template:R with possibilities and Template:R printworthy in order to highlight their potential re-inclusion if recreated and further expanded upon beyond tangible information related to the song's participation at Eurovision. Articles were subsequently recreated with no additional information added and discussion via AfD is required in order to determine a path forward and to avoid further conflict among editors. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Snow/strong keep. Nominating user did so after my reverts of part of their months-long campaign of redirecting every Eurovision stub article. A competing entry at Eurovision is notable per Doktorbuk.  Ss  112   10:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Song is notable per participation in Eurovision Song Contest. And per charting in several countries. Per section Songs, points 1, 2, 5, and 7 of WP:NMUSIC. These points trump a consensus about Eurovision articles in general.BabbaQ (talk) 10:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NMUSIC.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect. I don't think there is any disagreement about whether the song is notable, as appearing in an international competition such as Eurovision and charting in several countries clearly demonstrates that per WP:NSONG. This is a redirect-focused discussion by the nominator, not one looking for deletion. The focus is much narrower than the above !votes about general notability. I believe we are discussing this caveat of WP:NSONG: "Notability aside, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album", or, in this case the "Country in Eurovision Year" article is the relevant target. One of the main issues (that prompted this discussion in the first place) was that articles were un-redirected back to their stub-selves with no growth and for some, no growth potential. They are not reasonably detailed articles to any extent. In fact, there's more information about the subject at the redirect target, which I personally find to be the motivating factor here. Readers looking for information about a song should be directed to a location where they can get that information, not a stub article with a few sentences. I find it a disservice to the reader to spread the information out amongst several articles instead of painting the full picture in one place. Perhaps more information such as chart positions and album covers could be moved to the target articles in the promotion section so they are not left out, but that's a discussion for moving forward. As the nominator pointed out, these redirects have potential, and if a willing editor seeks to expand them into something better than a stub with unique information separate from Eurovision, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. It's just that right now they're not ready to be standalone articles, and this position is backed by the guidelines. Grk1011 (talk) 03:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


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