Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tryphena Sparks


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The result was no consensus. Davewild (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Tryphena Sparks

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Delete: being Thomas Hardy's cousin does not create notability. Any salient info can be manually included in Hardy's article. Quis separabit? 11:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily passes the WP:GNG with significant coverage which addresses the topic directly in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. She was not only his cousin but a possible lover and also inspiration for one of his poems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theroadislong (talk • contribs) 12:14, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't see it. She was Hardy's cousin and inspired him and some of his characters may have been based on aspects of her life and personality, but that does not in and of itself create notability which is not hereditary. Quis separabit?  13:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's really irrelevant that she was Hardy's cousin, she has received enough coverage about her life for a stand alone article. The WP:GNG states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."  Theroadislong (talk) 13:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Only factoid (not even confirmed) I could find of notability is this:"Shortly after his return, Hardy probably entered into a passionate affair with Tryphena Sparks (1851-1890), an attractive sixteen-year-old cousin. Tryphena was the youngest child of James and Maria Sparks, Hardy’s uncle and aunt, who lived in a thatched cottage in the nearby village of Puddletown. Some biographers believe that in the years 1868 to 1870, when she was a trainee teacher in the Puddletown school, she had a romance with Hardy, although there is too little evidence of their relationship. Nevertheless, Tryphena must have exerted some profound effect on Hardy’s life since she appears in disguise in many of his novels and poems. After her death Hardy wrote a poem pervaded with personal memories, entitled, 'Thoughts of Phena”. Quis separabit? 13:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)"
 * Sparks has received in depth coverage in a number of books as referenced in the article and there are more than 12,000 Google hits for her. I don't see a problem with notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Re-direct to Thomas Hardy.--Rpclod (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Any literary commentary on Hardy seems to also give space to Tryphena Sparks, and to see her as someone more than a minor footnote to him.  There's a credible book, Providence and Mr. Hardy  whose central thesis is the significance of this relationship. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge into Thomas_Hardy (there is currently no mention of the subject in that article). Notability is not inherited (as the person immediately above is actually arguing the case it is), however the person is apparently the subject of some of his poems and thus of somewhat more importance than a mere (alleged) romantic interest, and so CHEAPLY recommend "giving space" in Hardy. Pax 02:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Apart from agreeing with the above keep arguments, I see that there are 56 hits in JSTOR. —S MALL  JIM   09:47, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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