Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsogo sun


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Tsogo sun

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I'm not going to restate what has been said elsewhere, but instead am just pinging the involved people. Articles on this subject have been repeatedly deleted. Please see...   

Admittedly, I have not personally investigated the notability of this company, since it has previously been done. I do, however, think it is fairly obvious that the article needs to go away and both variations on the title salted so that that article cannot be recreated under yet a third username without being submitted to AfC. I think it's clear from the history that blatant attempts have been made to evade the 'oversight' of anyone previously involved. Revent talk  07:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Sufficient notability has been not been shown in the references. More than one reference is a primary source. property24.com is a property for sale site, the share issue material is primary and not about the entity. We require references from significant coverage about the entity, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. This article does not demonstrate nor verify any notability. If this entity is notable it ought not to be too hard to prove it. If it is proven during the course of this discussion, ping me and I will revisit my opinion.
 * As a note to the nominator, I would infinitely prefer a full rationale for deletion. I appreciate your links to other places, but a synopsis as a rationale is important. Fiddle   Faddle  12:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. The subject does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The article's sources, apart from a couple of financial reports, are all on sites that serve to promote businesses, and they largely consist of mere announcements of business deals and the like, in the manner of press releases. None of them remotely resemble the kind of coverage in reliable independent sources that is required. Before the creation of the present article, I had previously made extensive searches for information about this company, because of requests for help from the author of this article, and I failed to find any evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In fact, on the contrary, it became completely clear to me that the company does not satisfy those guidelines. In addition to that, the article is distinctly promotional in character, and most of its content is not sourced at all, not even to the kind of unsuitable sources I have mentioned. The present article is one of a number of versions of this page, created by two single purpose accounts (one of them has made no edits on any other topic at all, and 90% of the edits of the other account are clearly related to Tsogo Sun, the other 10% being trivial edits relating to companies which, as far as I know, may or may not be connected to Tsogo Sun).
 * (As I mentioned above, the author of this article made several requests to me for help. For anyone who is interested, the substantial content of my response to those requests can be seen at User talk:AlisonM321.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep clearly notably. even the first page of google results shows Financial Times mention Rmhermen (talk) 03:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The fact that Google tells you that one newspaper once mentioned a subject is not enough to establish notability: it is necessary to look at the nature of the mention. Have you actually seen the Financial Times article in question? (The link you picked up from Google and quoted above will not give you access to the article unless you have a paid account.) The Financial Times article is merely a brief report that another company was considering selling its share in Tsogo Sun. "Mention", yes, "significant coverage" no. (WP:GOOGLEHITS, WP:TRIVIALCOVERAGE and WP:ITSINTHENEWS are all somewhat relevant.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.