Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tube fender


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Fender (vehicle). Consensus from editors who are independent of the subject seems to be fairly clear that the "Tube fender" as a product is not significant enough to have its own article yet. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Tube fender

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"Tube fender" is a product name created by one company, Metalcloak.com, which is partly owned by User:Matsonian who created this article. The product name is not universally used. No third party sources discuss it. Fails WP:GNG. Binksternet (talk) 05:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

"Tube Fender" is not a product name. It is a category of products produced by at least two dozen companies in the off road industry and hundreds of DIY owners of off road vehicles. I am familiar with Tube Fenders because of my company which manufactures a variation of that product category as well as bumpers, suspensions and other product categories for Jeep vehicles. Matsonian (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So then your task here is to find some third-party sources which define and discuss the tube fender. Without two very prominent sources, such as national level publications, the article will fail WP:GNG. I was unable to find such sources. I wish you luck in your search. Binksternet (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per reasons given by Binksternet. Seems like an obvious attempt at a neologism, possibly to boost SEO for the manufacturer's web site. - MrX 05:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, as the deletion rationale is extremely faulty. A quick Google image search for "tube fender" returns many hundreds of photos.  It appears to be a generic term, not a product name.   Belch fire - TALK  05:26, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you can help the article survive deletion by finding a reference that defines and discusses the auto part with the indicated name "tube fender". Personally, I see in my searches a bunch of products such as this one falling under the general description of "off-road fenders" or "fender flares". For instance, Amazon.com sells the Genright Tube Fender Flare, a subset of Fender Flares. Basically, the whole group of custom fenders should be described at Fender (vehicle). Binksternet (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, the article could be and should be improved. And thanks for acknowledging my point concerning the validity of your deletion rationale.   Belch fire - TALK  06:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was pointing out that you had not offered any reliable sources to help the article. You still have not. I looked for some myself and found nothing. Binksternet (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You found nothing? Did you actually search?  As I said before, a quick Google search  readily shows that your original claims ("Tube fender" is a product name created by one company...", "The product name is not universally used", "No third party sources discuss it.") are simply false and, quite frankly, laughable.   Belch fire - TALK  18:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * When I said "sources" I was only looking for reliable sources which could be used to satisfy WP:GNG, not websites selling various custom fenders, not photos of the fender. You are arguing that it exists, which is not the point. I am arguing that it has not been defined and described by a third party enough to bring it up out of the noise of various fender types and into its own article. Of course tube fenders exist! Your "strong keep" appears to be based on the fact that tube fenders exist rather than on satisfying WP:GNG. Existence of something does not mean we should have an article about it. For instance, orange fish exist—I can totally prove it—but we do not have an article about them. Binksternet (talk) 01:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I had hoped that when I wrote it originally in 2010, that others more qualified then me would come along and improve it. Kind of surprised all this is coming up now. But all critique and feedback is welcome. Matsonian (talk) 06:46, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Per Binksternet's recommendation, the article was edited with a reference. Matsonian (talk) 06:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge (trimming massively)) to Fender (vehicle). Killer Chihuahua 10:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but Merging is like putting V8 Engine under Engine... does not something of significant impact to a sport or industry qualify for its own article? Matsonian (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * How many reliable, independent sources do you have which state this is of significant impact to the sport and/or industry? I'm sorry, but you cannot write your opinion of it's significance, no matter how accurate and true it is; you must source it. Killer Chihuahua 18:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merging is not like putting the entirety of V8 engine under engine. The V8 engine article is quite substantial including history of development, pros and cons vs other layouts. A tube fender is a fender made in part or whole from tubes, as opposed to sheet metal. There's not a lot more can be said. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A V8 Engine is combustion engine made of metal. But it has a specific function in transportation. Similarly a tube fender has a function beyond typical automotive fenders. Matsonian (talk) 07:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - as it stands the text of the article is a close paraphrase of the reference. Almost too close. Is there any merit in creating a wikitionary entry instead of an article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I need to do some reading to better understand Wikipedia standards. I will do so tonight and rewrite the entire article so it better reflects standards. Thanks all for the feedback and I look forward to learning more. Matsonian (talk) 23:58, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * After re-reading guidelines including Your First Article I've decided to completely re-do the Tube Fender Article. As mentioned before, I wrote it in 2010 without any regard for creating the ideal article, expecting others to improve on my work. If you wish to delete the article, be my guest. If you want to leave it until I do a complete rewrite, that's okay too. Either way, I will do a proper Tube Fender article per the guidelines. Thank you all for your feedback. Matsonian (talk) 08:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge as this is just one small item to have its own, esp with the lack if support it shows.--198.102.29.195 (talk) 00:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added to the article a reference to a short section about tube fenders in a book. You may be able to see some or all of it here, depending on what kind of mood Google Books is in. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, John F. Lewis (talk) 21:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete or merge to Fender (vehicle) or bullbar, although there is not much that is worthy or in need of merging. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per what MrX said. Wikipedia is not for popularizing brands. Hekerui (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.