Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tucson Theological Seminary (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Tucson Theological Seminary
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There are no relaible sources that establish notability for the subject of this article. In October, I proposed this article for deletion, but no consensus was reached. Since then, no reliable sources have been cited in the article (nor could I locate any). In addition, according to the institution's home page, the seminary has merged with Arizona Bible College. I could not find any RSs for this college either (though many for a now extinct college of the same name and for Southern Arizona Bible College). I think this development, along with several more months without a RS, further supports the position I took back in October that this article should be deleted and not recreated until the institution meets WP:ORG. Novaseminary (talk) 17:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Question. During the previous deletion debate (3 months ago) DGG said: "It awards degrees, so it is notable."  Is that really the case here?  JBsupreme (talk) 18:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment That is a fair question. I'm not sure we know that by a reliable source. Novaseminary (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment  degree granting institution means not that it necessarily has granted a degree, but that its purpose is to award degrees, which differentiates an academic institution from a trade school.      DGG ( talk ) 02:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Fair enough, but without a reliable source, it still fails WP:VERIFY. Also in just the last few hours seems to indicate a major WP:COI and WP:OWN problem. Of course, that does not necessarily mean the article should be deleted, but it seems to support the case if nothing else. Novaseminary (talk) 06:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment According to this, they offer the associate of arts degree. No indication whether they are accredited by any accrediting agency; is that a Wikipedia criterion? --MelanieN (talk) 01:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)MelanieN
 * Comment Their website indicates that they are not accredited. I don't think this is necessarily a Wikipedia requirement, though (though, I would think being accredited by a recognized accrediting agency is certainly evidence of notability, and probably easy to verify, making a school definitely in compliance with WP:ORG and WP:V). One could conceive of an institution being notable and not accredited.  Notability is definitely a problem for the subject of this article, but I think it is verifiability that really knocks it out. They are of course intertwined. The reason there are no articles about the institution could be because no students, faculty, or affiliated people (or the insitution itself) have done anything notable related to the institution, or it could be that they have but have not received coverage for it. Novaseminary (talk) 03:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if the school had any notability at all, you would think that its merger with Arizona Bible College would have made news. But neither institution garners even a single hit at Google News. So I have come around to Delete as non-notable. --MelanieN (talk) 14:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)Melanie


 * Response to comments - WP criteria doesn't require an educational institution be accredited. However, our articles on non-accredited colleges (for example, Sequoia University, Columbus University, or Hamilton University) achieve notability when they become newsworthy, most often as diploma mills. As Novaseminary states, accreditation by a legitimate and notable organization can provide some inherent notability to a college, but an unaccredited college will require significant reliable sources to meet our verification criteria. — Cactus Writer |   needles  17:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reliable sources have been found. A search of Tucson newspaper archives (Arizona Daily Star/Tucson Citizen) finds no references. There is no "official" accreditation. The Arizona Bible College merger appears odd, since it seems to have closed in 1998. The legitimacy of an unaccredited institution which operates from an office suite and offers on-line degrees is suspect. — Cactus Writer |   needles  17:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.