Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tuliram Ronghang (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Salvio giuliano 13:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Tuliram Ronghang
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Tuliram Ronghang

Minor Indian politician, about whom article was deleted in 2020. Deletion of article is currently at Deletion Review, which is in the process of endorsing the 2020 deletion, while acknowledging that consensus can change. So this stub has been created, but it does not satisfy either political notability or general notability. It says nothing about third-party coverage of the subject. There are two references, but the second one is a puff piece which is probably not independent, and is not a secondary source. The first reference is on a web site that is blocked by anti-malware protection, so it should also be considered unreliable, even if it is significant coverage.

The originator states that consensus has changed, but has not shown that consensus has changed, and may be making a good-faith mistake. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Assam. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  09:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is also a running discussion about a member. See Articles for deletion/Kali Kumar Tongchangya. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 09:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Generally many deletion discussion of Members of the Autonomous District Councils of India are kept. See Articles for deletion/Purna Chandra Jamatia. (Note: I am creator of this article and also note that I voted Delete in Articles for deletion/Purna Chandra Jamatia and after the closing of discussionn, I got that they are notable) ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  09:21, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: We keep articles about members of sub national parliaments of India because the government of that parliament federal or similar systems of government and Chakma Autonomous District Council also have federal or similar systems of government. And as per as this discussion Articles for deletion/Purna Chandra Jamatia, ADCs are subnational parliament so this article passes WP:NPOL. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  09:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:NSUBPOL (an explanation of WP:NPOL which explains notability about sub national parliaments of different countries) says "Members of the Autonomous District Councils may have presumed notability.". ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 09:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for a start the subject fails WP:NPOL. The relevant language there is that people who have held "state/province–wide office" in countries with federal systems of government are presumed to be notable. In India that means states or union territories. The subject is a member of Karbi Anglong Autonomous Council, which is not at that level (it covers some ethnic groups living in Karbi Anglong district and West Karbi Anglong district, which are at district rather than state level). WP:NSUBPOL is an essay with no official standing, and even that doesn't say that the subject is notable.
 * Of the sources cited in the article, is a press release and not independent of the subject (Disclaimer: This is a company press release. No HT journalist was involved in the creation of this content).  is a short article about the subject being elected Chief Executive Member of the council and mostly consists of quotes from a speech he made. There are lots of other articles which give limited coverage to the subject in the context of local political events, or which constitute churnalism, but I don't see the kind of significant coverage which would pass the GNG.  Hut 8.5  12:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In NPOL, it is written that "state/province–wide office" because there is federal systems of government in state/province–wide office but there are some countries who has federal systems of government in their districts so we can say that Karbi Anglong Autonomous Council is an sub national parliament. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 13:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess it is a subnational parliament but that doesn't make it state level. Districts in India are a lower level than states.  Hut 8.5  18:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not a city, not a district and nor a state or province. It's a self governing area and this council administrates Karbi Anglong district and West Karbi Anglong district. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 01:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Procedural Question There is a concurrent discussion about the subject happening at Deletion Review. Should this AfD run at the same time or should we let deletion review finish?
 * Delete. The page is unencyclopedic. A presumption of notability can always be pierced. Lack of coverage that enables us to write an article (which is the case here) means that we should not force the inclusion of an article (i.e., "article"). If there had been at least something approaching WP:NBASIC-type coverage enabling us to write a paragraph of prose, that would have been fine, but there doesn't seem to be. —Alalch E. 17:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  13:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete ( Note: I voted endorse in the DRV. ) per nom and . This page is a deficiently sourced WP:BLP that IMO fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC (more on NPOL later). The sources include a reference is a press release and a short routine announcement chiefly dependent on quotes. My WP:BEFORE found some sources, e.g., this routine seven-sentence article that fails WP:SIGCOV, this source on a visit, and another puff source (i.e., opening with His dedication towards fitness has gone ahead in inspiring many other youngsters of the state and ending with a promo link to the subject's Facebook page). As per GNG, ...advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources, which the available sources fall under. NBASIC is also likewise failed. With regards to WP:NPOL, it is true that the essay WP:NSUBPOL considers that ADCs may have presumed notability, given that in one previous AfD, it was contended that As for whather the Autonomous District Councils satisfy our classification as subnational parliaments - I'd probably agree. Unfortunately, personally I don't think an essay based on a single AfD contending a debatable (at best IMO) NPOL pass is sufficient to overcome the clear failure of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Regardless, I can see both sides, hence my vote being weak delete, and if this indeed close in keep I will reconsider whether ADCs satisfy NPOL's requirement. Thanks.  VickKiang  (talk)  07:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per CSD:G4. Stifle (talk) 09:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.