Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tulsa Pittaway


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  So Why  20:08, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Tulsa Pittaway

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No evidence that they are notable musician. Sources mostly primary and lack no depth, does not support requirements for WP:NMUSIC. Prod removed by author Ajf773 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Musicians-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Sources were primary and can't find any third party sources. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 22:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Major member of two notable bands Watershed and Evolver One. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Evolver One isn't notable, and the subject barely makes an appearance on Watershed (South African band), along with the remaining group members who also aren't notable. Ajf773 (talk) 18:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't judge the notability of subjects based on the current state of coverage in a non reliable source like Wikipedia. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Then prove notability. Currently nobody has. Ajf773 (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ajf773. Done. Evolver One. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So you created an article for a non-notable band to try to prove this subject meets WP:NMUSIC. Notability is NOT inhereted. Ajf773 (talk) 18:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I created an article for a notable band. If you disagree you can always test it at afd. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As I have done. Ajf773 (talk) 09:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * delete fails GNG. no need to redirect to .Watershed. Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice try, but I don't see Evolver One as meeting notability requirements.Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" WP:MUSIC#1 and "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." WP:MUSIC#2 is not good enough for you? duffbeerforme (talk) 14:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * And I don't see the subject here reaching the safe shore of Notability. The tide is still out goingDlohcierekim (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - a bit light on for cites, but not a reason to delete. Ouseriv (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You haven't actually given a reason for keep. Ajf773 (talk) 03:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:MUSICBIO.-- Laun  chba  ller  13:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Explain how this passes C6?? Ajf773 (talk) 19:19, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Very well. C6 requires a musician to have been a 'reasonably prominent' member of two or more ensembles; by reasonably prominent, according to note 5 on that page, in a small ensemble, ALL members are reasonably prominent. My personal rule of thumb is that a small ensemble constitutes six or fewer members, though I'm not aware of that being enshrined anywhere. The two bands Pittaway has been a member of is Watershed, which meets WP:MUSICBIO as multiple albums have been certified gold or higher, and Evolver One, which meets WP:MUSICBIO, as its single "Criminal" reached the top 40 in 2010. Better?-- Laun  chba  ller  19:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Launchballer. Read the AfD discussion for : Articles for deletion/Evolver One. There is no evidence yet that the band passed BAND:C2. Only heresay. Also the member isn't even a prominent member of either. Ajf773 (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I already have, I'll be commenting there in a minute. South Africa has one chart according to WP:GOODCHARTS, and it's compiled by Entertainment Monitoring Africa. Their site is undergoing maintenance, and Archive.org links don't work either. To meet WP:MUSICBIO, Pittaway need only be a member of a small ensemble to be reasonably prominent. What is your definition of small ensemble?-- Laun  chba  ller  23:18, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please cite the policies/rationale upon which you are !voting!

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  13:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment "a bit light on cites = "lacks significant coverage in reliable sources."Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep there's significant coverage by reliable secondary sources, revealed by a simple google search. He's the main focus of several articles. This article needs to include those sources, it needs improvement for sure, but that is not a reason to delete it. CrispyGlover (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


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