Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tuna Bekleviç


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The result was keep. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Tuna Bekleviç

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Fails WP:GNG. Kadı   Message   20:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Politics, Economics,  and Turkey.  Kadı    Message   20:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think an article with this many references should have a better deletion rationale than simply "Fails WP:GNG". It is by no means self-evident that it fails. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Keep. After Phil Bridger 's comment above, I decided to take my time and check the sources in the article. There is a lot of spam articles and deleted ones. However, there are plenty of eligible in-depth articles from reliable and independent sources. I'm not a great expert on the Turkish or Armenian press, but here are the ones that easily qualify the politician:

There are many more I found on Internet but I believe that will be more than enough. Also, I wonder how the nominator Kadı  came to conclusion that such a prominent figure in the politics of Turkey fails WP:GNG? It looks like the nominator didn't spend enough time to check the articles and notability properly, which brings a question of their competence but this is not the place to discuss it. I'm just concerned that it is not a one time mistake but something that might have happened with other pages. --Suitskvarts (talk) 09:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/17/turkey-internet-crackdown-erdogans-army-online-trolls-forces/
 * https://www.cnnturk.com/video/turkiye/son-dakika-cumhuriyet-tarihinin-en-buyuk-sosyal-konut-projesi-cumhurbaskani-erdogan-detaylari-acikliyor
 * http://www.hudutgazetesi.com/haber/10361/ingiliz-parlamentosunda-bir-edirneli.html
 * https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/april-2017/campaigning-for-no-in-turkeys-referendum/
 * https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yerel-haberler/diyarbakir/beklevic-2019daki-cumhurbaskanligi-secimine-1-40610407
 * https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Politicians-try-to-bridge-new-ME-divide
 * https://www.tert.am/en/news/2010/11/01/grigoryan/205250
 * https://www.haberturk.com/diyarbakir-haberleri/60788227-tuna-beklevicin-kardeslik-yuruyusu-diyarbakirda-sona-erdi
 * https://www.demokrathaber.org/tuna-beklevicin-kardeslik-yuruyusu-sona-erdi-yuruyerek-geldim-bulutlarin-uzerinde-gidiyorum
 * https://stockholmcf.org/turkish-politician-beklevic-for-the-kurds-life-has-almost-stopped-in-diyarbakir/
 * https://news.am/eng/news/36316.html
 * https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/turkeys-akp-deputies-would-transfer-to-another-party-if-closed-9421397
 * https://news.am/eng/news/55047.html
 * https://www.yurtgazetesi.com.tr/yurt/27-gundur-yuruyordu-tuna-beklevic-diyarbakira-ulasti-h92750.html
 * https://www.gazeteduvar.com.tr/gundem/2018/04/22/ankaradan-diyarbakira-yuruyen-beklevicten-kurtce-paylasim
 * https://ceftus.org/2013/people/our-speakers/tuna-beklevic/
 * I'm not sure how accurate this above analysis is. I haven't checked much yet, but the final link you've sent is literally "Our speakers", that's not independent, is it? A few reliable Turkish sites only include his statements and quotes (eg. 1st Hürriyet one) and aren't in-depth coverage. ~Styyx Talk ? 11:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC) Re-ping .  ~Styyx Talk ? 11:53, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ ~Styyx I just sorted the sources in the article that have coverage of the politician. The very first ones have deep coverage and indicate that Tuna Bekleviç was a big political figure in Turkey (Presidential candidate and also a leader of an oppositional political party) who was persecuted and fled the country. Some sources above have an extensive coverage of Belcevic career and many of them are well known and reliable - Telegraph, CNN Turk, Hurriet. As I understand, we need 3. Also, it is enough to type the name in Google Search to see that there is a need for additional audit and research.
 * Suitskvarts (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Suitskvarts, Do you know Turkish? Kadı    Message   17:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ Kadı . No, but I know how to use Google Translate. Also, there are many sources in English as well. I have the same question, do you know Turkish and if "yes", did you use your knowledge to check the articles in Turkish?
 * Suitskvarts (talk) 18:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Suitskvarts, Turkish is my mother tongue :) I checked all of them, this person's notability can not be proven with these sources. Also, if you want to know more about my Wiki-experience, you can check this page. Kadı    Message   18:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ Kadı . I'm glad to hear that Turkish is your mother tongue. However, as Phil Bridger, there is a lot of sources and your nomination's rationale was way too short. Also, this article is very sensitive politically: Belcevic fled Turkey to avoid political persecution and many sources in Turkey are persecuted. It is well know fact that the Turkey government uses its power to censor the press and there was news about the Turkish government trying to suppress Wikipedia pages related to Kurds or Turkey's opposition. Therefore, I sincerely hope you do not have a conflict of interest here.
 * Suitskvarts (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Suitskvarts, Could you please explain the correlation between Tuna Bekleviç and government, Kurds etc. ? Kadı    Message   19:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Suitskvarts Turkish Wikipedia has no ties to Turkey, Wikipedia is not a national encyclopedia, and it is impolite to accuse users of being government suppressors. Please comment on the content and not on the users. 𝗩𝗶𝗸𝗶𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗺𝗲𝗿 ℣ 19:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @𝗩𝗶𝗸𝗶𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗺𝗲𝗿  I apologize if I seemed impolite to anyone. But to tell that I accused anyone in Turkey's opposition suppression is your own interpretation of my words and is simply not true. This is a free forum and I didn't go beyond WP policy if I ask someone a question. Asking is not accusation and I didn't have in mind that the nominator was a government suppressor - let me state it very clearly. However, I would like more editors to have a look here as my concern is that nomination was wrong and the nominator didn't do a thorough analysis. And he didn't respond to my questions, so I refuse to respond to his. I shared my opinion here and I don't want to get involved more in this discussion
 * Suitskvarts (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong keep The current article is very poorly sourced but after checking Google search, I've found multiple publications with good coverage - most of them date back to 2019 when he left Turkey but he was clearly a notable oppositional politician and has a lot of media. Here is a couple more:

https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/tuna-beklevic-portresi-emperyalizmin-guttugu-esek-41385255

https://ahvalnews.com/ahmet-kaya/his-62nd-birthday-millions-hold-hope-ahmet-kayas-songs\

From the list above, "Jerusalem Post" is definitely good and reliable. Also, here is the link to the search:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Tuna+Beklevi%C3%A7&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS909US914&sxsrf=ALiCzsaM2SnKWcc6gzVVjIAKYWy_Q-0EbQ:1663447478740&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDj8rg2Jz6AhVsMEQIHYHZAE8Q_AUoBHoECAMQBg&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1

--Onetimememorial (talk) 20:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * oppose : passes gng Furius (talk) 06:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


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