Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkey City Writer's Workshop


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Peter Karlsen (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Turkey City Writer&
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There is no in-depth third party coverage as required by WP:NOTABILITY. Also, notability is not inherited. All details come from a roadrunner.com personal home page which is not a reliable source. Yworo (talk) 20:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  --  N / A  0  00:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  --  N / A  0  00:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The workshop has not only fostered the careers of numerous authors, but also created a document used by many writers workshops as a springboard. Quotes by Bruce Sterling & Michael Swanwick indicate the workshop served to help foster the cyberpunk genre. Shsilver (talk) 02:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I didn't see the earlier version of this page, but it now has cites from established sources such as SFWA. A very long running workshop that fostered such big names as Bruce Sterling is a notable piece of literary history.  It would be nice to see this entry grow instead of disappear. Madamecp (talk) 05:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This entry, like many Wikipedia articles on science fiction, brings together information on a topic that many people are aware of but unversed in, and the info in it is of interest to researchers and others, especially the list of writers. The "Turkey City Lexicon" has been passed from writer-to writer and writing-group-to-writing-group for at least 25 years, and probably deserves its own entry, as it has influenced hundred of SF writers. Furfish (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)furfish
 * Delete no coverage in gnews . and note 2 of the references are its own website. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep Most of the references are third-party relevant sources. Gnews is not a particularly good measure of notability for this type of subject; try gbooks instead: . --bonadea contributions talk 14:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - have you actually looked at those books? As far as I can tell, each book has a single mention and no in-depth coverage of the subject. I looked through those before nominating the article for deletion. If even one had had several pages about the subject, I'd not have submitted the nomination. Yworo (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep covered in multiple, independent RS. The Bruce Sterling piece is a usable self-published source per WP:SPS, since he's an expert in the field. Lack of gnews indicates a lack of popularity, but influence within a specific domain (e.g., science fiction writers) can establish notability absent popularity. Jclemens (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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