Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkiate society


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The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Turkiate society

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Original Research, term does not exist in google scholars or books. Source cited has no quote or reference and looks like a primary source (a lexicon). Russian, Sassanid, Abbassid,etc. empires have never been associated with such terms. GoshtaspLohraspi (talk) 21:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions.  —  Lady  of  Shalott  21:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  —  Lady  of  Shalott  21:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can find no sources at all to verify the content of this article. Therefore (and with a nod to the appropriate sentiment) I am inclined to agree with the nominator's assertion that this is WP:OR and should be deleted. Crafty (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete although I originally was a merge (I proposed it) I am now going to say delete because, as the nominator said, the one source cited is not used. Gosox5555 (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The one source is apparently by Mahmud al-Kashgari and from the 11th century. Lady  of  Shalott  22:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. While I also agree that assuming good faith is vital, the original editor has a history of creating content forks and other unusual splits of articles. Combined with the nominator's findings of no mentions at Google Scholar et al, I see no reason to keep this article, even as a redirect to Mahmud al-Kashgari. — C.Fred (talk) 23:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. An 11th century source doesn't disqualify the subject, but the fact that there are not more recent mentions of the topic is telling. No objection to a keep (with cleanup) if additional sourcing becomes available - maybe some offline book unavailable through Google, for example. But I see no evidence of that. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * DeleteThe article is based on saying of someone in 11th century. Hitler was also talking about great Germany, but that can't be called Germaniate Society. Nothing in the name of Turkiate society has ever existed in the whole history. علی ویکی (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Turkiate society and Persianate is analogous to eachother and proposal of existance of Turkiate society word is dated to 1000 years ago but Persianate society word is proposed in 20th or in 21th century, but WHY you do not say this for Persianate society article? Are thies Discrimination to Turks? I Request you allow this article remain and after short time you will see that thousands of lines and handreds of references will be added to this article. Arattaman (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC) — Arattaman (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Can you point us to these hundreds of references? Lady  of  Shalott  17:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * DO NOT Delete Here is wikipedia and it is FREE encyclopedia. I am agree with arattaman. Please ALLOW this article remains.Jimmycardiel (talk) 08:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC) — Jimmycardiel (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * "Free" does not mean anything goes. Lady  of  Shalott  17:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Article is not completely based on Khashghari text ,and he as a medieval writer was not aware of Parthians and Scythians and etc. His ideas, regardless of wrong or rightness , can be add to his own article (Khashghari) , and other parts that are not the Khashghari's sayings , may be deleted as the original research .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 06:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete this article is opposite of almost other wikipedia articles.--Iroony (talk) 10:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: a fast look to the references of this article to reveal some cheating:

Reference No.1: The sentence is exactly copy/pasted from the Persianate society article, but the reference is AlKashgari pont of view that is only limited to turkish Langueges.

Reference No. 2&3 are only external links, not references.

Reference 4(=5), can be against Neutral point of view.(however, to be honest it can be acceptable on the other hand.)

Reference No.6 says: some scholars believes that presence of prototurk peoples in Middle East goes back to six thousands years ago.; But reference include the name of only one person that is only a Poet (not a historian), who falsely claimed Sumerian are ancestors of Turks.(see:Olzhas Suleimenov,Sumerian language)

Reference No.7: It's claimed that Tegriism has affected the zoroastrianism. but this is mentioned in the reference.(see Tengriism&Zoroastrianism)

Detailed information is available in the discussion page of the article. Aliwiki (talk) 15:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Article is basically Original Research. It may have some useful information to provide (when corrected) but those can be put in related articles. It is important to have title of articles based on the specialised works. Xashaiar (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.