Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Free Syrian Army


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Recently the subject of an AFD discussion closed as Keep. Please use WP:DRV if you wish to challenge that closure. Yunshui 雲 水 10:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Turkish Free Syrian Army

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Alhanuty (talk) 23:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 *  Delete the article has an unneutral name and is borrowed from reddit syrian civil war
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https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/628em1/turkey_euphrates_shield_operation_is_over/ https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5dgofa/how_is_the_tfsa_perceived_in_turkey/ https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/628em1/turkey_euphrates_shield_operation_is_over/ https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5dgofa/how_is_the_tfsa_perceived_in_turkey/ these articles from reddit prove that they are copied from reddit.Alhanuty (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC) https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/628em1/turkey_euphrates_shield_operation_is_over/ https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5dgofa/how_is_the_tfsa_perceived_in_turkey/ these articles from reddit prove that they are copied from reddit.Alhanuty (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC) this is not the name of the group,this is an invention by YPG/SDF Fanboys,the group isn't TFSA,the groups are hawar kilis operation room.Alhanuty (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2017 March 31.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 00:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Use WP:RM instead. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Nominator: please go and read the WP:AfD page as you have not provided valid reasons for deletion. Furthermore, I did some text searches and couldn't find that there was an immediately obvious WP:COPYVIO. If you know exactly what Reddit webpage was copied, please post the link. Fiachra10003 (talk) 01:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 *  Delete we don't have a page that is called American Syrian Democratic Forces or Russian Syrian Arab Army, Stop turning Wikipedia into an Assadist propaganda tool 3bdulelah (talk) 02:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Nominator: this wouldn't appear to be grounds for deleting the article. As per above, if you think part of the article has been copied, please indicate which part, but even if part of it is copied, that is still not grounds for deleting the *whole* article. The article is written by multiple editors, and referenced to numerous sources that are independant to Reddit (including BBC, Reuters, Aljazeera etc), so it's unlikely the whole thing is copied. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. No valid reason for deletion is given by the nominator or anyone else. The article should probably be merged or deleted, but this is not the way to do it. Biases and lack of neutrality are not enough to justify deletion on their own. Ceosad (talk) 14:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep That's the name of the organization--Wikipedia isn't saying that the subject is "free". As for copyvios, I ran the article through Earwig's Copyvio Detector and found no copy-and-pasting. If you have an issue with neutrality, please bring it to WP:NPOVN. --Joshualouie711talk 15:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 *  Delete Although Turkey-backed FSA is referenced by several sources, we couldn't find sources that prove "The group is unrelated to the Free Syrian Army." (it's shown as the reason of having this article, but we have a "citation needed" warning for this important claim). It seems the definition and the abbreviation was borrowed from Reddit's language. Kavas (talk) 20:42, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 *  Comment Sources referenced in the article the page indicate that the units (1) operate with the Turkish army, (2)get paid by Turkey, (3)troops are treated in hospitals in Turkey and (4)attack SDF units (a goal of Turkey, rather than most FSA), and (5)while refraining from attacking the Syrian Govt (which the FSA does). They also include a proportion of Turkmen units. They are clearly different to the FSA, they are in fact a proxy force allied with Turkey. For Wikipedia to include them as FSA would be misrepresentative. For instance, if you look at the http://syriancivilwarmap.com/ - they are actually given a different colour(blue) to the FSA units (green), to indicate they are a different force. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 *  Comment In terms of terminology, they are referred to in the media as the "Turkish Backed Free Syrian Army" (12,000 results in Google) or "Turkish Free Syrian Army" (5000 results in Google).... there are references for both. Reddit tends to use "Turkish Free Syrian Army" or TFSA. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - per reasons mentioned above. Applodion (talk) 14:07, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

The request should be stopped because the article was keept. --Panam2014 (talk) 10:30, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.