Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Human Rights Record


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Merge, bearing in mind a couple keep votes were cast before someone pointed out a good merge target. CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 21:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Human Rights Record
POV-pushery that was de-prodded by User:Robert talan who seems to have been trying to fix it. I'm bringing it here as a contested prod, and my personal opinion is that it's unfixable and unencyclopedic. Delete Reyk  YO!  02:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Let Robert talan try to fix it. Move to Robert talan's userspace. Armedblowfish 02:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge Turkey's human rights record is a major issue and we should cover it, this is highly notable. The current article started as POV pushing but I'd like to see us fix this, I think it is obviously getting better quickly and this AFD request was premature.    jbolden1517Talk  05:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't know about Turkish Human Rights. I like the merge better than the keep.  jbolden1517Talk  12:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, Move to Turkish Human Rights, NPoV, etc''' Keep Crazynas 05:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup This article is currently very POV but the answer is to NPOV it and improve it.  Perhaps a new title /move might help to NPOV, as suggested by Crazynas, above. Ande B 06:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment We all have human rights records with stains on - so should all countries have such article in wikipedia? Medico80 08:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, absolutely. All countries should have, if you like, their 'stains' documented. The 'stains' don't have to be documented in a separate article - a merge in this case to Human rights in Turkey seems appropriate - but do belong in an encyclopedia. Colon el Tom 11:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Human rights in Turkey. savidan(talk) (e@) 08:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep the article discuss a notable subject, and it should be developed instead of deleted. -- Karl Meier 09:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge per Savidan, Crazynas & cleanup along the way. Colon el Tom 11:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I've wikified and cleaned up a bit, but there are claims here which still certainly need more specific links to reliable sources. Colon el Tom 11:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge per above, there's no reason to have this article when Human rights in Turkey was there first . Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. This requires some care because this article has serious POV problems. It should be confined to the present Republic of Turkey and not include the record of the Ottoman Empire. Next thing we'll put the problems of the Roman Empire in an article on Italian Human Rights. Not all allegations are covered by the cited sources, and not all sources are exactly what you can call neutral. For example, the reference numbered 4, , suggests in the title that we have "Findings of the European Commission of Human Rights", but it is actually a report issued by the (Cypriot Greek) Cyprus Bar Association. While all violations of human rights are deplorable, those found by the European Court of Human Rights are not nearly as serious as those claimed in the article. If it has been "suggested to some" (a new weasel-wordy formula) that it was only through strong international pressure that Orhan Pamuk was released, then these some may have been wrongly suggested so. He was actually not released at all because he was never arrested. There are serious issues, but they are treated in a much better way in Human rights in Turkey. It is misleading to list "Turkish treatment of the disabled" as a human rights issue. There are problems with the treatment of elderly in American homes for the elderly all the time, which is scandalous but should only be regarded as impacting upon the "American Human Rights Record" if this is condoned by responsible officials. In the case mentioned, the situation was promptly addressed as soon as it had been brought to the attention of vthe authorities. And so on. --Lambiam Talk 12:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * comment My weasel words above, I'm afraid; previous edit was The arrest and trial of the Turkish author Orhan Pamuk has been criticized by many as proving that human rights and freedom of speech are not valued by the present Turkish government and it was only through strong international pressure that Pamuk was released., which I changed to The arrest and trial of the Turkish author Orhan Pamuk have suggested to some that human rights and freedom of speech are not valued by the present Turkish government, and ... . I changed this in an attempt to NPOV the article, based only on the text available. My apologies if this has not improved the article. (It should have been 'has suggested' rather than 'have', I see, but I'll let others improve it for now.) Colon el Tom 13:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Human rights of Turkey. --Ter e nce Ong 15:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Human rights in Turkey. Lambiam also made some good points. &mdash; Khoikhoi 16:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge per Khoikhoi. --JChap 04:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Human rights in Turkey. - FRCP11 12:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Salvage to Human rights in Turkey. Wikipedia does not keep records. We do not need a second article explaining Human rights in Turkey which appears to be a POV fork more than anything else. -- Cat out 17:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean-up. --Moby 10:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. mix of everything possible, low quality, used as someone's axe. Use of the Roman Empire in Italian Human Rights equivalent. Pavel Vozenilek 02:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV push, as per nom; some content may be salvageble into Human rights in Turkey, but this may be done by normal editing. -- H eptor  talk 19:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.