Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 02:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan
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I don't think this term is in use by WP:RS in any sense that is distinct from "Southeast Anatolia". There is already an article on Southeastern Anatolia Region, its not clear what notability this has as a separate article. Unlike Iraqi Kurdistan this is not a region that has any distinct legal status - Iraqi Kurdistan has a government, and was created as a legal entity under the Iraqi Constitution. Turkish Kurdistan, and the sources that use the language "Turkish Kurdistan" are talking about Southeastern Anatolia - I think this makes it a WP:POVFORK Seraphim System  ( talk ) 03:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


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 * Keep Turkish Kurdistan refers to a separate region than southeastern Anatolia. While not a de-jure administrative region under the Turkish regime's control, this region (defined by the ethnicity of the residents) is the location of a long standing conflict - Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present). Multiple WP:RS use the term - from news outlets, through journal papers, and of course reputable books as well.Icewhiz (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It does not refer to separate region and I have not seen any WP:RS that use this term in a sense that can be distinguished from Southeastern Anatolia. (For example, there are some WP:RS about endemic flower species.) It should be a redirect. I would support merging some of the content in the article. The "region" is not "defined" by the ethnicity of the residents, this is a POV on a controversial political topic, we don't create separate Wikipedia articles as WP:POVFORKs and this should be discussed in the existing article. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 18:09, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:00, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is clearly a notable concept, defined as the lands where Kurds live within (mostly Southeastern) Turkey, and is thus not equivalent to Southeastern Turkey which also includes some ethnically Turkish regions. Also Southeastern Anatolia as defined in its own Wiki page has a verrry different shape, look at the picture []. It also has plenty of discussion in the English language -- [Google gives 99,300 for "Turkish Kurdistan" without Wikipedia included] [and another 113,000 for the near-equivalent "North Kurdistan"]. --Calthinus (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The whole concept here is of course one POV, a POV opposed by the current government in Istanbul, but that does not make it any less a point of view that animates actions of many people. It is a concept that exists and is discussed and explored by reliable sources. At heart all nations exist as a point of view, just some have more political power behind them than others. The threshold of creating an article is not when the notion has political power behind it to become a state, but something less than that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


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