Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Representative Office to the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep.--Mike Cline (talk) 20:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Representative Office to the United States

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Lack of notability. There are no references cited that make the Representative Office itself notable. The only references cited concern a Class Action that includes this office. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because [of lack of notability and no independent references cited]:


 * Delete all: due to lack of notability and lack of worthwhile independent references. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I think these two need to be delinked. The only relationship between the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Representative Office to the United States and the Constitution of Northern Cyprus is that both deal with Northern Cyprus.  The same notability/referencing issues do not apply to both, and they would be much better (and fairer) served being discussed on their own. That being said, i'm undecided on the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Representative Office to the United States article.  As for Constitution of Northern Cyprus I vote Speedy Keep in that the constitutions of all nations, and partially recognized nations (of which Northern Cyprus is officially recognized by Turkey) as inherently notable.  Ravendrop (talk) 06:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep to both articles. The subjects are inherently notable, particularly in view of the controversy surrounding this republic. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep for Constitution of Northern Cyprus per Ravendrop. "No independent references cited" is not a valid reason for article deletion except for living people. The reason would be "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed" and I had no trouble finding such sources. I am Undecided about the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Representative Office to the United States although confused about why the two articles share the same AfD discussion since they are largely unrelated except for the state concerned, which is an irrelevance since it certainly is itself notable. Jll (talk) 16:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I am new to this AfD thing. I submitted my first in the last week. I wasn't sure whether it was more appropriate to list them separately or together. Thought it would save time and effort to consider them together. It is simple enough to vote on each separately within this AfD. There are only two articles to consider on this AfD. I apologise if I was wrong to bundle them together. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's not a big deal! Jll (talk) 23:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy unbundle and keep for the constitution article, which is inherently a highly notable topic (the topic of the current poltical order of the TRNC is of utmost importance for any discussion of, for instance, any future constitutional arrangement in the context of whatever peace plan comes next.) Weak keep for the representation article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Am thinking that it wouldn't be a bad idea to MERGE the article about the Constitution of Northern Cyprus with the article about Northern_Cyprus. But I don't think that it has enough independent citations outside of the local sphere of influence to be separate. Just an idea. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 13:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep for Constitution of Northern Cyprus as an important topic. The lack of citation is a bit of a red herring here; it is the basic document of a de facto government, and the controversy has nothing to do with accuracy, but about whether the republic should exist as an independent entity. Merging it with the Northern Cyprus article is problematic because northern Cyprus is a geographical entity and its de jure status is disputed. Bundling articles on something like this is asking for trouble when maintaining NPOV is going to be difficult. I'd like to see something in the constitution article pointing out that the status of the republic is disputed. I'm not convinced about retention of the article on the Representative Office in the USA. Why is it notable? There is already an article on Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus. AJHingston (talk) 18:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, there is an article on Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus however there are no recognised foreign or diplomatic relations of Northern Cyprus. The closest there is to a foreign relationship (and it is not a foreign relationship) is its relationship with the Republic of Turkey which created Northern Cyprus in the first place. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to be careful in not confusing de facto and de jure relationships. There has been a lot of activity at diplomatic level over the years, much of it concerned with resolving the dispute over governance. That is dealt with in the foreign relations article. The important thing is not to let POV intrude into judgement of notability. The office might actually gain notability by its activities even if they were illegal - there will be plenty of such examples in Wikipedia. AJHingston (talk) 18:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


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