Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Views of the So Called Armenian Genocide


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, patent nonsense. Moreschi Talk 18:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Views of the So Called Armenian Genocide

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Prod removed without comment. WP:SOAP. WP:OR, no WP:RS, and WP:POV. Delete. --Evb-wiki 21:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I object the deletion. Check the Ottoman archives for the historical facts, not one-sided subjective claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.226.143.26 (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)  — 88.226.143.26 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete per title which of itself hugely violates our NPOV policy, SqueakBox 21:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - unsourced POV original research essay. Mr.  Z- man  21:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this is nothing more than someone using Wikipedia as a soapbox. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Clean up (removing POV) and merge with Denial of the Armenian Genocide. Though I know only little  about the background, it seems clear to me that
 * sources can be found for some points in the article (such as The current Turkish Republic or the current Turkish generation does not bear any legal responsibility for whatever happened during the rule of the former state Ottaman Empire -- I am sure that this is the published point of view of many Turkish politicians)
 * other points should be deleted as irrelevant, such as With the same token, the Congress should pass resolutions to recognize an Indian genocide in North America, an Irish Genocide because about a million Irish people died during the Irish Famine intentionally watched by the British Empire in a passive mode. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum.
 * The very model of a minor general 22:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * redirect to Denial of the Armenian Genocide, doesn't seem to be enough veerifyable distinct information for a true merge. stricken perMr.Z-mans common senseMartijn Hoekstra 23:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete mainly per soapboxing, but there is so much wrong with only the articles title, that this will never work. Martijn Hoekstra 23:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect as suggested above Speciate 23:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Is this really a likely search term for that? If it isn't merged, there is no point in redirecting (if it is merged, the redirect contains the old history of the merged content). Mr.  Z- man  23:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can Merge with "National Socialist views of the so-called Holocaust" Mandsford 23:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Clearly POV. Torc2 23:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete and salt. This title pushes so many taste boundaries it's untrue. Not neutral in the slightest, and a liability for any legal issues. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry 02:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy as POV duplicate of Denial of the Armenian Genocide. Van Tucky  Talk 04:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Soapboxing POV essay. --Folantin 07:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I object the deletion. The Turkish view cannot be represented by using the term "Armenian Genocide", because it would be accepting genocide claims automatically. Therefore, they cannot be represented under the "Denial of Armenian Genocide". The Turkish view can be only represented with using the terms "So-called Genocide" or "Genocide Claims". It is amazing to see that although there are equally valuable historians on both sides, some people feel like an authority to make judgments on these issues and propose deletions. This page will be improved to include verifiable and reliable sources about the Turkish view of the events. Therefore, it is not any different then the Armenian Genocide page, which reflects the opposite view. There are sources, citations, and references for both views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homersimpson07 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I also object the deletion. There is more than one aspect to the events happened almost a century ago. So there is a dispute and if so both sides opinion should be very well published. Armanians are not the sole authority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.78.252 (talk) 15:39, October 16, 2007

--The scape goat 15:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC) — The scape goat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I object the deletion. Check the Ottoman archives for more info. 1915 events Will be translated into English pretty soon at
 * Comment: Congratulations on being the lamest sock-puppeteer ever, Mr. Simpson. --Folantin 15:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please explain. Homersimpson07 16:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. The title is unacceptable and the content is purely to express a point of view. So egregious is this page that it might be worth using it as an exhibit to demonstrate to other users an example of what a point of view page looks like. Sam Blacketer 15:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I totally disagree. The intent of the page is not to display my viewpoints but to present verifiable and reliable sources about the Turkish view of events.Homersimpson07 16:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Invitation to formal and civilized expression of ideas. I invite some of the people here to use words more carefully. Saying something is lame does not make it lame. You need to explain with substantial reasoning why the request for deletion is being made. Just like I do. Homersimpson07 16:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe all properly attributed information that is relevant to all view points concerning the events in question should be merged into an article called Turkish-Armenian conflict, as the term genocide is arguably WP:POV as something that is "deliberate and systematic". There is already one called Armenian-Turkish relations.--Evb-wiki 16:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I object deletion, I can't see any logical reason to delete it. People has the right to inform people about the reality. — 198.202.3.199 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I object deletion. Wikipedia is a source where people looks up for anything. If some people have a different point of view on an issue, they should have the right to tell the others why they think differently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.116.214 (talk) 18:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC) — 72.77.116.214 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Acknowledgment of the difficulty Friends, please just recognize how it becomes difficult to give information about a certain viewpoint under these conditions. I think it should not be made this difficult. There is almost a blank check given to the opposite view using the term genocide freely, however, when we want to create an article based on facts, sources, citations, and reliable information about the Turkish view, there is an overwhelming pressure to delete or censor. I find this extremely unfair. Eventually, if one really believes in certain things, why would he/she would try to prevent others. I just don't know.Homersimpson07 18:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not a conspiracy to censor you. I have no view one way or the other on the events this article describes; I'm not even sure what all the views are. However, as it stands, the article is written like an opinion essay and is totally inappropriate for Wikipedia. Maybe a blog, but not here. Mr.  Z- man  18:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Attributing the verifiable information to reliable sources would go a very long way. For the record, I understand your frustration with the use of the term "genocide". --Evb-wiki 18:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We intend to do that however, there is no time to develop this content using the medium as a collaboration tool. Given that I work, I can't put my five days a week to add content, it should build up slowly by contributions of the other people interested in. I know it will build up over time.


 * Question: What makes you think that we are more biased than the authors of the Armenian Genocide page? I would appreciate your answers.Homersimpson07 18:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While you attempt to cite only one source to support all claims made, they have cited 127 sources from a large variety of sources. And this article, by design, only allows for Turkish views. --Evb-wiki 18:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.