Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turks in the Czech Republic


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  07:33, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Turks in the Czech Republic

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No evidence of any scholars or journalists writing/publishing non-trivial material covering this minority group. No attempts to fix the article since February when it was created --- instead the creator is going around creating articles about Turkish people in pretty much every country on earth, consisting of a table of population statistics. This is not the proper basis for an article. I could only find a one-line mention of them in a reliable source: "no important Turkish minority in the Czech republic". cab (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete — Per nomination. ContinueWithCaution (talk) 05:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Sources insufficient, and numbers appear to be tiny. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep the Turkish community in the Czech Republic is a growing community. Moreover, they make up significant number within the muslim community in the Czech republic. I dont feel that the fact that the population is small is a reason to delete this article. The majority of ethnic minorities in the Czech Republic are small communities e.g. Greeks in the Czech Republic and Macedonians in Czech republic.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 18:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, if we look at Wikipedia article traffic statistics the article Turks in the Czech Republic is actually viewed more than Mongolians in the Czech Republic (who form a much larger community) and almost just as much as Greeks in the Czech Republic.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 18:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether they're big or small or how many times people have viewed the page. It matters whether there are reliable, non-trivial sources about them or any of the other dozens of boilerplate stubs you have created. cab (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete – I agree with CaliforniaAliBaba (04:48). I think the only reason of creating the "article" (just stub, in fact) Turks in Czech Republic is Turco85's patriotism, not actual national situation in Czechia. Besides, the argument about more frequent viewing of the "Turks" article than "Mongols" is unfair: Mongolians comes from poor country, mainly without knowledge of internet (and time for browsing! They're gastarbeiters, working for 10–13 hours per day!) – so "traffic statistics argumentation" is very dubious. And what about Turco85's statement "Turks make significant number of the Czech muslims?" I don't think so: there are circa 13–20 000 muslims in Czechia whereas Turkish community here has only 1100–1300 souls... --Iaroslavvs (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * We are not here to talk about me or my 'nationalistic ways' please stick to the subject and dont get personal. If we look at the article Macedonians in Czech republic there isnt even a sentence in that article... Only an info box on the ammount of Macedonians in this country, therefore, this article we are talking about cant be that bad. I therefore find it ironic that the other ethic groups from the Czech republic are not Afd nominations. I honestly think that this article will have more potential, as it is a new wave of migration by Turkish immigrants. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 10:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * To Iaroslavvs, Turks making up around 20% of the muslim community in the Czech Republic is a significant number. And even if we look at the article Germans in the Czech Republic the article only really states the population of Germans in this country.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 10:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The other groups are not AfD nominations because scholars and journalists have written extensively about them.


 * In four cases (Vietnamese, Mongolians, Chinese, Poles), numerous sources are already mentioned in the articles' "References" and "Further reading" sections. In some cases people have even written entire Ph.D. dissertations and books on those topics.
 * In the remaining four cases (Jews, Germans, Macedonians, Armenians), where sufficient sources are not already mentioned, one can easily find them through Google or Google Scholar. For example Marián Sloboda of Charles University has published many journal articles about Macedonians in the CR . For Armenians there are papers like even in English. Et cetera.


 * In contrast I could not find any such sources about Turkish people in the CR, whatever language I searched in. So instead of arguing that WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, you should look for academic publications and newspaper articles of reliable, well-known publishers which discuss Turkish people in the CR. cab (talk) 11:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
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