Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twila Tanner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus - the only thing that seems clear here is nobody is advocating outright deletion. Merge discussions can take place on the talk pages. Yomangani talk 22:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Twila Tanner
Not notable outside the show, like many other contestants TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 13:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because these contestants aren't notable either. Most only have their birthdate, job, and Survivor history. Also, as a comparison, most seasons of The Amazing Race only have one to three contestants with pages, if any (seasons 2 has none). That's 2-3 out of 22. Most Survivor seasons have at least 15 out of 16 contestants with their own pages.:
 * Tom Buchanan
 * Stacey Stillman
 * Ian Rosenberger
 * Rodger Bingham
 * Osten Taylor
 * Matthew Von Ertfelda
 * Lillian Morris
 * Lex van den Berghe
 * Kim Johnson
 * Jennifer Lyon
 * Heidi Strobel
 * Gregg Carey
 * Danielle DiLorenzo
 * Clay Jordan
 * Cirie Fields
 * Cindy Hall
 * Caryn Groedel
 * Bobby Jon Drinkard

I am also nominating Anh Tuan Bui, because it is a copy of Cao Boi, his nickname, which is also up for deletion.


 * Keep Survivor contestants. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy close - bad memories, anyone? (I've learnt from my mistake). Perhaps five at a time? MER-C 14:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to season articles - Survivor is a popular enough show that enough people would be looking for info and enough media coverage exists about them to warrant notability. Kirjtc2 16:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In almost all the articles, all it has is name, hometown, birthdate, job, placing, and alliances. If the person looking for info know their name, they most know their alliances and placing from seeing the show. The rest of the info wouldn't even be there if they weren't on Survivor because before it, they were never heard of, and after it, it's not like they started acting or did something major. The ones that did, I didn't nominate, like Janu Torell, who was in some beauty contest. TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 17:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If your main concern is that there isn't enough information for articles on these contestants, then why don't you work to improve the articles instead of deciding to delete them all? - Lex 04:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the appropriate season pages (which ideally would be consistent among all reality show contestants who aren't independently notable). Merge what's relevant, but most of these articles are terrible. Opabinia regalis 21:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect per above. RickReinckens 08:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect. We don't need articles on everyone who appeared on a bloody reality tv show. Eusebeus 12:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The considerable publicity they've received from this bloody reality tv show is probably notability enough. If we can give articles to characters of fictional tv shows, we can give them to characters that exist in real life.--Isocyanide 15:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why they make articles about fictional character. Also, there are some articles like "Locations in [name of TV show]".TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 16:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Per others †he Bread  04:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: Survivor is extremely popular. And, with a few excpetions, most of the Survivors with pages made the merge and are among the more well known from their season. -- Scorpion0422 04:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Whom to keep and whom to merge with their season?
Because Survivor is a much more noted show than the Amazing Race, it is easy to see why there are so many more pages devoted to its players. Incidentally, there has been only one season following Pearl Islands in which there were 16 contestants.

Keep:
 * Tom Buchanan and Lex van den Berghe (part of two seasons and are highly recognizable icons of Survivor lore)
 * Matthew Von Ertfelda (was a subject of mass discussion on good and bad game play well past his season)
 * Jennifer Lyon (incident of breast cancer)
 * Bobby Jon Drinkard (noteworthy roles in two seasons)

Delete (or merge with the pages linking to their respective seasons):
 * Ian Rosenberger
 * Rodger Bingham
 * Stacey Stillman (who remembers that lawsuit? My point exactly)
 * Lillian Morris
 * Kim Johnson
 * Osten Taylor (his quitting incident was already covered)
 * Heidi Strobel
 * Gregg Carey
 * Danielle DiLorenzo (breast enhancement?)
 * Clay Jordan
 * Cirie Fields
 * Cindy Hall
 * Caryn Groedel

Just because someone is notable only for the show means does not mean no significant history can be provided on them. However, the show has regressed to the point where it is little more than a jungle version of Your Big Break. Messy Thinking 22:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Contribs


 * Keep: (1) As I read WP:BIO, the nominees are subject to multiple non-trivial media coverage, and are therefore notable.  See generally my comments to Cao Boi.  (2) The fact that they are only notable for one thing doesn't make them non-notable -- a lot of people are only notable for a single thing.  (3) Maybe a few of them should go, but there's no way to debate individual merits on a list this long.  (4) [[Anh Tuan Bui should certainly be redirected to Cao Boi, but we can't erase the article and replace with a redirect while there's an AFD tag on it.  TheronJ 00:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: I understand where you're coming from, Teckwiz, but I think you're putting the cart before the horse. IMHO, if you think that reality show contestants who competed in a single show should not be notable, I would personally prefer it if you first (1) put together a consensus in favor of your proposal at WP:BIO; (2) edited WP:BIO to reflect the consensus, and then, (3) nominated the pages that didn't meet the new consensus.  TheronJ 00:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Should this be done on WP:BIO's talk page?. Also, whoever put Jennifer Lyon should be kept because of the breast cancer, there are plenty of people with breast cancer in the world that don't have an article. TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 12:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Concur with User:Messy Thinking (Delete vote tables in all articles; who voted for whom is not relevant, even in the context of the episode.)  List only those in more than one season, those who won the season, those who have significant notability in the play of the season, or those with some other reason for notability.  (In other words, I'd probably delete Matthew Von Ertfelda if the reasons given for keeping are correct.) &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * delete/merge selected list per Messy Thinking. Otherwise, this is destined for a train wreck. Most of the articles are of very poor quality in general and in serious need of rewrite if they are to be kept. Furthermore content is highly trivial, mostly about their antics on the show, and temps me to delete the lot, but I'll bite my tongue. Ohconfucius 10:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep All: Survivor is extremely popular. And, with a few excpetions, most of the Survivors with pages made the merge and are among the more well known from their season. -- Scorpion0422 18:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * comment the show may be deserving of an article, but does each contestant ? Based on the quality and content, one summary article which outlines their interactions in each episode would be preferable, tell the story more coherently, and be a lot less messy. Ohconfucius 03:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep All. In terms of ratings, Survivor is the most successful reality show of all time. Love it or hate it, the show is still a pop culture phenomenon. Therefore its contestants are notable enough to have articles on this site. -- Freemarket 03:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To you they may be notable, but look at their articles. They're small and contain almost nothing. TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 13:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, they're stubs. So leave 'em be, and they'll be expanded when they can. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep All Survivor contestants are notable enough to have their own articles. If The Early Show dedicates a segment to each contestant each week, then obviously they're well-known to a wide range of people. Sure, some contestants are more famous and well-known than others, but every single contestant gets an interview on The Early Show, so I feel that all of these contestants are notable enough to have their own articles. A-Supreme 23:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that this segment is pretty small (5 min usually). Also, this is only because Survivor and Early Show are both CBS shows. You don't see the contestants on ABC, NBC or anything. In comparison, when the president speaks, his speech is carried on CBS, even though he has no affiliation with them. TeckWiz is 12 yrs oldTalk Contribs # of Edits 01:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete all edit histories of the selected delete list per Messy Thinking and then set redirects for that selected list to their appriopriate season.  Keep the selected keep list per Messy Thinking as well. --User:Arnzy (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.