Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Galaxies


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. I realize there has been some disruption in the history of this discussion. Some comments have been revision deleted, so as a non-admin, I cannot view them. However, an administrator clearly thought they were grossly inappropriate for the discussion, so I have disregarded them. In the comments of the discussion that I can view, there are some strong arguments and some weaker ones; however, the general consensus is very clear to keep the article. (non-admin closure) Very respectfully, Mz7 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2014 (UTC), revised 22:29, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Twin Galaxies

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There is no reliable information about this subject. The lede speculates that it's defunct, but even that can't be actually verified. Most of the article is rambling original research, and there are BLP issues in the history and for all I know the current text, I can't actually make a lot of sense of it. Guy (Help!) 11:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - The current article is, as you say, undoubtedly laced with OR; however, and although I can't find sources to support my position since I'm not home and thus not able to research at the moment, Twin Galaxies is such a historical institution in the history of competitive video gaming that I cannot possibly believe it not to be notable. Everyone even remotely interested in serious arcade gaming or competitive high score competitions knows of Twin Galaxies as the reference. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  15:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Speaking as the former Lead Writer for Twin Galaxies, still active within Twin Galaxies: Twin Galaxies is alive and well and going through an extensive process of reformation through a series of negotiations with several parties. Unfortunately,there those who wish to vandalize this page due to personal feelings they have for certain members of Twin Galaxies' personnel, unrelated to the reformation process. I ask that you please lock the page for edit until Twin Galaxies' internal negotiations are settled. This Wikipedia listing was once managed by a party no longer interested in maintaining it for Twin Galaxies; however it is the intention of Twin Galaxies to keep this listing up and maintain it once the reformation process is complete and a person is appointed for that purpose. -Cat DeSpira, on behalf of Twin Galaxies International — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatDeSpira (talk • contribs) 16:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC)  — CatDeSpira (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - Clearly notable, plenty of reliable sources available. AFD is not cleanup, this article needs cleanup. - hahnch e n 18:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Twin Galaxies is not out of business; it is just reorganizing and will become active again very soon. As the founder of Twin Galaxies, I have seen the Twin Galaxies Arcade rise from local fame in Ottumwa, Iowa to gain worldwide recognition as the birthplace of organized video game playing . Plus, being recognized from 1983 until recent years as the official adjudicator of verified world record high scores by the Guinness organization has given TG legitimate claim to be a n historical part of the global gaming culture. Twin Galaxies has appeared in eight movies: "Chasing Ghosts, King of Kong, Frag, The Video Craze, The King of Arcades, The NES Club, Man Vs. Snake and The Gamer Age. This media coverage is due to the import role that Twin Galaxies plays in the global video game culture. Deletion due to vandalism doesnt work. If not guarded properly, the wiki page for any famous person could be vandalized everyday, but that doesn't take away its legitimate right to be recognized and historical commemorated on wikipedia. 13:13 Walter Day -  22 February 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Day (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. Well, I suppose we know how the article got this way now, and it looks like we need a few reminders about conflict of interest editing... Anyway, a cursory Google or WP:VG/RS search shows that Twin Galaxies has significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) E.g., look at Kotaku's tag alone! I don't see the argument for deletion, but there is certainly one for cleanup. czar  ♔  20:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. It was fairly major aspect of King of Kong.  Before that, it was still notable.  For example: 50 Best Websites by Time. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - The Twin Galaxies has been the target of a group of disgruntled people, as the recent vandalism of the main Wikipedia entry indicates. Twin Galaxies is THE authoratitive source of video game high scores since the very beginning.  The non-vandalized article is a valuable source of historical data and should by all means be kept.  Lock it if you have to, prevent un-authorized modifications if possible, but please do not delete it.  Datagod (talk) 16:52, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Suggesting that Twin Galaxies' merit exists only in the delicate ego of some video game world record seekers would be a mistake. Twin Galaxies has been a service to the coin-op industry since 1981 where it has helped gather a global community of coin-op fans through live events, magazine coverage, newspaper articles, books, and movies.  Walter Day has worked side by side with all the legendary Industry leaders from the early days (Ralph Baer, Nolan Bushnell, Roger Sharpe, etc) up to current days with Stern Pinball and Raw Thrills.  As such Twin Galaxies is an iconic branding with a legacy that heralds its' status as rising above the immediate moment to the timeless-ness of "LEGEND." I'd suggest putting a hold on content revisions until the current ownership, with assistance of the Patron of Twin Galaxies, Walter Day can properly present the storied history of Twin Galaxies in a way that fits the professional business standards of Wikipedia.  Thank you.  Written by former arcade employee and current assistant to Mr. Day. 1500points (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 23:56, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep Per comments made above, particularly as a major aspect of a motion picture (King of Kong), the topic is definitely notable and only needs improvement. --M ASEM (t) 03:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Twin Galaxies has a great historic important to the gaming world. It is not about a man but a publication and a place. Even the Genius Book oF World Records used them as a source of official information. To think of Twin Galaxies as a person is to ignore its vast history. --LukeBK (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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