Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Towers 2


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Additional discussion about what to include in other related articles, whether or not to have a mention, etc, could take place, at Talk:World Trade Center site. -- Cirt (talk) 17:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Twin Towers 2

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Nominating on behalf of User:Skimlatte. His rationale, from the talk page, is as follows: "For almost 5 years this article has been of discussion. After review of existing citations there is little to no credibility of this project as an official idea. Just because a few news people have written to support it, it is opinion only. Donald Trump never adopted the plan to be built anywhere, much less NYC. The article in 2005 clearly presents a publicity opportunity for Donald Trump and no doubt it worked as shortly thereafter, the Freedom Tower's original design was changed to resemble the original North Tower. Recent endorsements by David Schuster were simply that, a newscasters personal opinion not fact. This article should be DELETED. It is not an article that can be Wikified and never will be. Continuing to present this article on Wiki allows for the failure of encyclopedic guidelines and diminishes the credibility of Wiki as a source. Delete now." Robofish (talk) 14:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral, as nominator. (I have searched for sources and seen that a few exist, but I'm not convinced this project deserves its own article.) Robofish (talk) 14:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I don't see problems with an unofficial design that can be found across the internet. I'm not an expert on the policies, though. . . Edit: I don't see any POV either. ShadeofTime09 (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For, reasons WP:PROMOTION, WP:NOTADVOCATE,WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NTEMP, WP:NOTOPINION, WP:SOAP, WP:NOTADVOCATE 74.89.193.37 (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But it's not POV! Just because it is unofficial doesn't mean that Wikipedia advocates it. ShadeofTime09 (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep - It needs additional sources but I don't see any indication it fails WP:Notability. Shadowjams (talk) 01:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete; I don't see any reliable third-party sources that provide significant coverage of this topic. Powers T 19:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete; Shadowjams, there are no additional sources to be found and I feel it fails on WP:NOTABILITY as it is a one event idea from 2004 on a hypothetical project by one man and some groupies. ShadeofTime it is POV as this is one man's point of view on how he thinks the former WTC should be built and to boot, he is advertising that idea in this forum and has been since 2005. Recent edits within the past month have made the article a bit better but not good enough - the template that shows the model is locked and it advertises that this design is proposed even though language has been amended in the header, clearly COI. I have painstakingly read all the talk pages history and viewed the websites where this project is maintained. Personal websites on the internet do not qualify as reliable sources. Skimlatte (talk) 15:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think it deserves a separate article: it doesn't seem more notable than any of the hundreds of other proposals and competition designs for the site. However if there are any sources independent of the subject to confer it some level of notability, it could be mentioned in World Trade Center site. --Elekhh (talk) 01:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.