Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twistgrip


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. waggers (talk) 10:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Twistgrip

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 * At 15:18, 3 March 2012‎ was prodded by User:Ahunt: "Non-notable subject. In researching this I could not find suitable refs. The term is used in many different ways but any refs found provided nothing more than a dictionary definition at very best; most refs located were mere passing mentions. As per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary this article has little scope for becoming more than a dictionary definition, even if sourced." But twistgrips are an important item, at least to motorcyclists, and surely there is more than a dictdef to be said about twistgrips, particularly by motorcyclists. Page Twistgrip has many incoming links, and thus some sort of page is needed here: see Special:WhatLinksHere/Twistgrip. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 18:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 *  Delete Keep - While it is a bit unusual for the editor who started an article to nominate it for deletion at AFD, I can't really add any more to my original PROD nomination. I have not been able to find refs that say more than that twistgrips exist. This doesn't make notability requirements and reduces the article to a dictionary definition. Just because other articles have redlinks doesn't mean the subject is notable and an alternative is to delete this article and then remove the redlinks. If anyone can source a "History of twistgrips" or some other ref that would allow the article to be expanded beyond a dictionary definition I would be happy to see it retained. - Ahunt (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment – I added some early history of the twist grip throttle with refs. I think an ideal solution would be to merge Twist grip and maybe Motorcycle handlebar into a broader article on Motorcycle controls that explains the standardized layout of motorcycle throttles, clutch controls, shift levers, light horn and turn signal switches, and brakes. In particular there is a gap in tracing the history of how these controls went from the chaotic and arbitrary arrangements of most of the 20th century to the international standard layout found since the early 1970s. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I like what you have added. The only point is that its doesn't address non-motorcycle uses as mentioned in the lead para. - Ahunt (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd remove mention of non-motorcycle uses and refer readers to Helicopter flight controls and Shifter (bicycle part) for those subjects. The relationship is too superficial to cover in one article. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Okay, I see. Based on your improvements and that clarification then I will change my opinion to "keep". - Ahunt (talk) 23:39, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Twist grip throttles have been used for numerous types of vehicles and engines including small boats, snowmobiles and locomotives. Twist grips may also be used other types of device such as the zoom control for a movie camera.  These usages are all documented in numerous sources.  The rest is then a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion. Warden (talk) 19:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.