Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twitch (TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 06:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Twitch (TV series)

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Deprodded. Only source is a YouTube upload. Couldn't find any sources. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: As User:WikiVirusC states, sharing any sources found in this AFD discussion could affect the outcome of this deletion discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The source find is not helped by the fact there is a much more notable twitch.tv, but other then IMDB I find nothing about the show. It's not a hoax though - most of the episodes in full are up on YouTube, and it's certainly an interesting piece of videogame history, it's just not notable. casualdejekyll  16:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I was the one who felt compelled to create the topic, so I feel I should contribute to the discussion. Forgive my lack of involvement on the article; my hope was that other users might take the reins after I started it back then, but as has been said, not much information has been available online about the series since it ended. Sadly, the series was brought to a sudden end when the network folded, but it was quite popular at the time, and is historically relevant for opening up a television genre that caters to the video game industry. It was simply misfortune that caused the series to end, and thus not much information can be found about it since no other network picked it up to keep it going. Only in recent years has new material been uncovered, particularly from the series creator who posted the YouTube upload, and as casualdejekyll pointed out, most full episodes from the series were digitized from VHS and uploaded in the past year, which allowed for me to patch some longstanding gaps in the article with direct information. For added context, some citations were included regarding the ill-fated cable network and its role in the lack of source material; nonetheless, the series did exist, and the recent information came direct from the series creator, which should be reliable enough to keep the article valid, especially if new information becomes available at some later point. The fact that it took this long for something useful to be found proves my point.
 * I think the article should not be deleted. RedStillRumblesNC-17 (talk) 20:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The inclusion criteria is WP:GNG. One of the common ways that GNG is applied in discussions such as these is WP:THREE - show your best three sources, three sources which cover the subject independently, reliably, and give it significant coverage. @RedStillRumblesNC-17 - Can you show me WP:THREE, or perhaps how this meets some other notability guideline on Wikipedia? casualdejekyll  01:03, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  casualdejekyll  17:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I found this source covering the TV show. I'm leaning keep, as it appears to be an interesting piece of video game history. Merko (talk) 09:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Hello again, everyone; just wanted to come along to give a quick update. I've been working on buffing the issues stated about the article. I'm satisfied with what I've found and will be updating the article with new sources and other material to give more shape to the article, hopefully saving it from deletion entirely. The thing is, I've recently started a new job, so I'm kind of too busy to make said updates immediately, but I assure you that it'll be done soon enough.
 * On a personal note, I feel I should kind of thank you all for putting the matter back in the spotlight for me. Whether skeptical like Ten Pound Hammer and casualdejekyll or supportive like Merko, the discussion has been fruitful, and the task almost enjoyable. I dare say it's been kind of fun to revisit this whole thing, reminding me why I liked the program, thereby inspiring me to create the article in the first place.
 * I'll be back to the article soon to make the necessary adjustments; hopefully, the issue can be resolved and put to rest once I do. RedStillRumblesNC-17 (talk) 08:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have found sources you should share what they are here, either URL or title/publication/date/author. Regardless of whether it's put in article, a decision can be made based on existence of sources. You can add it into article at a later date. With 1 Delete and 1 lean keep, probably relisted so another week before a decision here has to be made. If you rather more time, drafting is an option but depending on consensus may just be deleted. WikiVirusC (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, sources (if found) should be listed here, they are what will save the article and not modifying it, unfortunately. Merko (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am working on the article and expect to update it by the end of the day on June 20th. RedStillRumblesNC-17 (talk) 23:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Managed to beat my original E.T.A.; was able to update the article yesterday afternoon.
 * I had three goals in mind with this latest update: reinsert the title card properly with appropriate accreditation, present new source materials and make proper citations to save the article from deletion, and to add greater depth of content to the article so that it may be delisted as a stub.
 * Hopefully, I have achieved all three. RedStillRumblesNC-17 (talk) 23:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. Its claim to be the first such show has some encyclopaedic value and should be mentioned somewhere on Wikipedia if correct. However, it is unsourced, and I'm not finding anything.  It has to be said that searching is difficult due to the existence of Twitch.tv which is swamping search results. SpinningSpark 11:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * As others have noted this show is nearly impossible to search for thanks to Twitch.tv . It doesn't help that before finding the article on Wikipedia, I had never heard of the show before.
 * I found a reference in SFGate, while Twitch was not the primary article subject, it wasn't quite trivial either since it gets its own paragraph and a few additional mentions elsewhere in the article, including some juicy nuggets absent from the Wikipedia article (The show was apparently significantly funded by Sega to promote the now long defunct Sega Channel online gaming service).
 * Based on similar topics I've searched for in the past I have a hunch that the best sources for this are on dead trees. I found a potential hit while searching Google Books (An edition of Editor & Publisher Syndicate Directory), but there's no online preview available for it. I'd be surprised if there aren't writeups of this in some industry publication, TV guide, or gaming mag from the era, but I realize that hardly helps establish notability unless someone can find them. That said researching this has been fun, and I hope I can find more sources to establish notability. I might try to see if my local library doesn't have anything. Mbrickn (talk) 06:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Now that I know that this show was virtually an infomercial promoting Sega products, it will take some strong sources to change my mind. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 15:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment To be clear, the show was significantly funded by Sega, but I didn't find any source saying it was fully funded by Sega. I watched a bit of some clips I found online, and while they certainly did product placement for Sega products (Like many mass market gaming or sports media of the era), they also positively reviewed games for competing platforms like the 3DO (Reviews for Road Rash, Gex), or the Atari Jaguar version of RayMan or the Jaguar exclusive Tempest 2000. Mbrickn (talk) 05:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It might be your OR that they are not, but the very source you cite above says "All three game-review shows look like souped-up infomercials..." You can't have it both ways: claiming the source is RS and then ignore what it says. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 07:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I missed that. That's correct that it states that. Mbrickn (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


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