Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Ladendorf


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. JForget 21:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Tyler Ladendorf
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No particular assertion of notability for this minor league baseball player. Being involved in a trade does not make you notable. Wikipedia is not a scouting website - He may not be a shortstop long-term, but he's more than athletic enough to handle a switch. ?? A 34th-round draft pick who is currently bouncing around the minors doesn't exactly rise to the level of, say, Stephen Strasburg, who is notable even if he never reaches the majors. The enumeration of his minor league clubs in the infobox shows a little diligence, but it's nothing anyone's gonna care about if he makes the majors, and if he doesn't, he's not notable. Merge to Oakland Athletics minor league players at the absolute most, but I personally wouldn't support that. Declined speedy. Nosleep break my slumber 18:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are about similarly non-notable minor league players (this is the first of likely very many AFD bundles forthcoming from me on minor league baseball players). Again, at most merge to Foo minor league players, but I don't find it necessary to do that. Nosleep break my slumber 18:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Tyler Ladendorf. Nominator's discussion is inaccurate; Ladendorf ended uo a second-round draft choice with significant press coverage, including individual profiling and hundreds of Google News hits, a sigificant number going well beyond game coverage.  Keep all the others; nominator provides absolutely no justification for deletion exception an unexplained label of "non-notable." All show non-trivial press coverage in the recent past, for most an average of about two media reports per day. Some of this is game coverage, of course, but there's too much to just brush aside.  When the nominator says "Being involved in a trade does not make you notable," he's right in the colloquial sense, but not in the Wikipedia policy sense -- when players are traded, reporters and analysts analyze the value of the players involved and the overall balance of the trades, often giving rise to fairly detailed discussions of the individual players, and therefore often generating the sort of coverage that satisfies the GNG.  If we cling to a coverage-centered set of notability criteria, than in an often sports-obsessed world we're going to end up with a disproportionate number of notable athletes.  The coverage is out there, and when it satisfies the GNG, as it does here, we keep the articles.  Fighting this out over dozens and dozens of case would just be a highly disruptive waste of time and energy. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Is this reporting and analysis non-trivial, though? Baseball scouts discussing players deep in the minor leagues that pretty much no one outside of hardcore baseball fans has heard of doesn't rise to the GNG as far as I'm concerned. How many of those hundreds of Google News hits say nothing more of the minor leaguer than "Jarrod Washburn was traded to the Detroit Tigers for Luke French and Mauricio Robles." And I dispute that my rationale for the bundled articles is unexplained - notability is not established in any of the articles, and they don't satisfy WP:ATHLETE. Therefore, delete/merge at most. Nosleep  break my slumber 06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: This like any other nomination regarding minor league players needs to be unbundled and assessed for suitability seperately. Borgarde (talk) 03:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * K, I'll relist separately. I do like knowing that I'll be kept busy for the next three or four years, and by then the non-notability of many of the subjects I've audited will be crystal clear. Nosleep  break my slumber 06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep, group nominations of this sort are inappropriate. Feel free to re-nominate separately. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Nosleep  break my slumber 06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because discussion gets cluttered on pages like this talking about individual players with unique circumstances. You can't just put a bunch of random players together into one AfD and expect to get the same result. You'll get a better discussion by seperating this nomination and allowing each player to be judged individually. I am !voting Keep on this nomination because of the way it is set out. Borgarde (talk) 06:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, but these players were not chosen randomly. I have identified over 300 articles on baseball players who have never played in the Major Leagues that I think should be deleted or (many are clearly more suitable to be) merged. These seemed very similar to me both in terms of the state of the articles and the level of notability of each player. You're free to disagree with that assessment, but please don't suggest the nomination was put together haphazardly. Nosleep  break my slumber 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also worth noting: Ryan Mattheus is currently on Washington's 40-man roster. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does that satisfy WP:ATHLETE? Not being an ass, just curious. I wouldn't think it does. Nosleep  break my slumber 06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE just says "compete at fully professional level" which these players all do. I haven't researched each of these players directly.. but being on a Major League club's 40 man roster has usually been a reason to keep the article in previous afd discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 23:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree that minor league baseball satisfies ATHLETE (give Articles for deletion/Ben Zeskind (2nd nomination) a look). ATHLETE is much too lax as is, giving us hundreds of thousands of superstubs that will never be expanded. And sure, most of the articles I've located aren't "superstubs," but most of them are about athletes who will never reach the majors, and I fail to see how anyone but players like Strasburg (and, at most, players drafted in the first round) are notable without reaching the majors. Alex finds herself awake at night  ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 21:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know how you can claim "most of them will never reach the majors".. how do you know? Or anyone else for that matter? That's why the articles have to be examined individually to see if the player is a notable minor leaguers... has he won awards? been selected to all-star teams? on the 40 man roster? Does he have substantial individual coverage in reliable sources? Even if he fails all those, the article should still be merged to the minor league player page rather than being deleted outright. Spanneraol (talk) 21:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Most minor league players won't reach the majors. That's just a fact. Of course many of the 300 or so articles I identified are better off being merged. Maybe as many as half; I won't nominate them here. But do you really think we need an article like, say, Theodis Bowe, which currently is all about his high school days, when there's realistically next to no chance that he'll make the majors? Alex finds herself awake at night ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 22:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would support delete on Bowe and probably on Ladendorf... my point was simply that you can't put all minor leaguers in the same basket.Spanneraol (talk) 22:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And I'm not...these players are of similar questionable notability, and their articles are similar as well. I suppose I'll be better off to start from the bottom of my list (subjects like Bowe) than the top (these subjects), though. Alex finds herself awake at night  ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 22:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Mainly per Hit bull, win steak a bundle nomination for minor league players has been deemed to be inappropiate since it makes it harder to see what source is for what player, etc.-- Giants27 ( c  |  s ) 20:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep Same reasons as above. They are notable, it's not like they don't do anything. They're professional baseball players as much as Ken Griffey, Jr., or Albert Pujols even though they haven't reached the same level or have the same abilities. If you were to delete these players you should delete any player who's never been on a 40-man roster, or is that not notable enough for you? Please see: Wikipedia:Notability. I would say professional baseball players get coverage, at any level. --Halvorsen brian (talk) 03:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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