Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Luellen (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. There's not a tonne of independent coverage, but there does seem to be consensus that he meets the general notability guideline. Given that, whether he meets or fails to meet WP:ATHLETE is of no moment. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  22:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Tyler Luellen
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Fails ATHLETE. Subject has never played at the fully professional level of a sport. Closing comments from past AfD said "I have no issue with Mr. Luellen's article getting renominated if in fact he, as a signed free agent, never in fact makes it off practic [sic] squad for the Chargers." He never made it off the practice squad so I am nominating it for deletion. Esasus (talk) 11:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. -- Oliver  Twisted (Talk) (Stuff) 12:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  16:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Recently signed as a free agent in the CFL . Seems to have had a notable college career per WP:BIO: plenty of coverage in the news, including some fairly significant coverage. The Columbia Missourian , St. Louis Post-Dispatch , and Rivals.com wrote feature article entirely on Luellen. He also had a feature article written on him in the St. Joseph News-Press as a high school track athlete . The New York Times considered him a "key loss" for Missouri when he graduated . The article could definitely use some work and expansion, but it is possible as evidenced by the news coverage and those are surmountable problems. Strikehold (talk) 16:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:N RenegadeMonster (talk) 16:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - he has never played a game in the CFL either, and his name is not found with any roster at CFL.ca . Keep argument fails for reason of WP:CRYSTALBALL. Esasus (talk) 19:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You only attempted to refute one small part of the keep argument, so it doesn't "fail" simply for that reason. We have proof he recently (October 2008) signed with a CFL team, which was essentially the same reason the first nomination was closed (he had signed with an NFL team). The CFL season ends early November, so he likely hasn't yet had the opportunity to play. There is no proof he has been waived or released by the Tiger-Cats, as they often have information about former players (e.g. ). Additionally, pro career notwithstanding, he has a pretty solid case built for meeting WP:N through media coverage cited above. Strikehold (talk) 20:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment How about the fact he is NOT listed on the roster? However the sources mean he should probably stay and yes he was signed, but was released, non-notable players don't get news stories on their releases in America or Canada.-- Giants27 T/  C  21:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that he has a bio page on the Tiger-Cats website saying something to the effect of "coming soon" shows they aren't too on the ball about updating their internet content. "Non-notable players" as you call them, do get press releases or at least a record of their release/waiving. You even provided me with proof of this, where, as you pointed out, it is shown Luellen was released on October 14. I agree he still meets WP:N. Strikehold (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah what I should have added is that like you said, they do get a record such as on a transaction wire, but they don't usually get press releases, unless their former college or hometown cares enough to publish a story about their release or signing.-- Giants27 T/  C  02:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep- WP:ATHLETE is there to provide a bit of wiggle room for some athletes who wouldn't quite meet the general notability guideline, not exclude those who pass it. The sources that Strikehold has provided are enough, I think. Reyk  YO!  21:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep He was part of a team at the professional level, (but not in regular season games), and we have RS content on him. Ronabop (talk)
 * Weak keep, he truly does fail WP:ATHLETE (never played an actual game; simply signing isn't enough), but the press coverage discovered by Strikehold makes him notable simply by the general notability standards. Nyttend (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Per sources given, but trust me he doesn't play for the TiCats, I'd know since I update the roster templates, plus CFL.ca, the team's official roster both don't list him.-- Giants27 T/  C  21:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The AfD for another athlete (Kendy Batista) was recently closed as deleteLink. A point that is applicable to this discussion was made: "Statistics or brief mentions in articles about minor league teams do not constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources," as required by WP:N." Esasus (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is applicable to this discussion, and no one here has claimed statistics meet WP:N. However, the four feature articles entirely on the subject do constitute significant coverage and satisfy WP:N. Strikehold (talk) 22:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


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