Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Types of restaurants


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The result was Keep Spartaz Humbug! 22:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Types of restaurants

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This has been tagged as OR, namely because it cannot be sourced in any reasonable manner. Further, all the classes of restaurants other than "other" and Family Style have their own pages, is there a need for (unsourced) duplication? I think anything viable from the introduction could go into Restaurants if it can be sourced, but otherwise this article will always remain Original Research and have NPOV issues Travellingcari (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have the most trouble with this sort of article. Here we have a nice little article, decently written, on a notable subject, not controversial, that could likely be easily sourced. It adds to the project and if someone objected to a bit of it then they can remove that bit or do a better job on the bit (sourced, of course). My "insist on sources "half" (actually about 97%) says delete while my WP:IAR "half" (actually about 3%) says keep. So I will abstain for now and hopefully learn something from the discussion. --JustaHulk (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I struggled as well. Ended up nominating on two reasons 1) as my boss calls it, "Department of Redundancy Department" -- most of the types of restaurants already have their own articles and 2) the "see also" section, most of which are resturants as well -- why aren't they in the main body - I think it's impossible for this to be an all-encompassing list. Would it be better as a category? Travellingcari (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The information in this article would best fit in the restaurant article but it would be too extensive and would then be broken out to a separate article perhaps titled (drum roll) Types of restaurants. Which is pretty much what happened on 2006-12-11, cf. this and this. --JustaHulk (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Excelent example of WP:Summary Style, not Original research and I removed the tag several times but some one kept replacing it. These are all industry terms pretty much, and describe specific facets of the restaurant business. --- Jeremy (talk) 00:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources for this would be easy to find. Here are some examples.  Colonel Warden (talk) 01:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep There are, as just pointed out, numerous secondary sources about restaurants, so there is not the least trouble sourcing an article like this. OR would have meant writing it out of our own analysis of restaurants directly, but that is not necessary. A perfectly reasonable summary article. DGG (talk) 04:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep When I was in Culinary School, we actually had a unit on the different types of restaurants...I'll try to dig out my text book and plop in the ref (But may have sold it) Legotech (talk) 07:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment perhaps I'm not making myself clear. I'm talking about the summary, which is not cited. For example: ''Historically, restaurant referred only to places which provide tables where one sits down to eat the meal, typically served by wait-staff. Following the rise of fast food and take-out restaurants, a retronym for the older "standard" restaurant was created, sit-down restaurant. Most commonly, "sit-down restaurant" refers to a casual dining restaurant with table service rather than a fast-food restaurant where one orders food at a counter. Sit-down restaurants are often further categorized as "family-style" or "formal".'' I'm not questioning the non OR of the articles, just that a) most already have their own articles and b) the ones that don't aren't sourced in this one either. It looks like I was wrong here, and I can accept that and would have no problem if this closed under SNOW, but I was trying to make my point clear where I was coming from. Travellingcari (talk) 12:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply - This why I stated in my "keep" statement this article is a classic example of WP:Summary style. This article is a main article with the others being subtopics of the main. Yes there are articles about each type of restaurant, but this is the parent article for which all of the others come from. As I see from your edit history you are fairly recent to Wikipedia, we can chalk this up as an unfamiliarity with this part of the WP:MOS. Heck, I am still learning new and different stuff after two years. It really does need to be properly referenced, and I am guilty of failing to do this as a member to the Wikiproject Food and drink. --- Jeremy (talk) 05:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply 2 I think we're on the same page, or at least within a few pages. I've read some of the MoS as it refers to various topics, including this one. My issue has always been with the sourcing, which I see you agree somewhat with and the overly broad generalisations. For example:
 * Typical examples can include crabhouses, German-style beer halls, BBQ restaurants, hunting lodges. Some normal restaurants will mix elements of family style, such as a table salad or bread bowl that is included as part of the meal.  says who? where? I'd bet dollars to donuts this varies from restaurant to restaurant and region to region. Also what's a "normal" restaurant? This may be a poor example because family style doesn't have it's own article, but I'd wager that entire section is OR and short of a culinary manual, which someone suggested above, I'm not sure how on earth you'd (general, not Jerem43 you) source it.
 * Destination restaurants -- while the citation is a good one, couldn't any of the above 'types' be a destination restaurant? I don't see that as a standalone category but rather something that could be included in a general, sourced, overview.
 * ''Others


 * Most of these establishments can be considered subtypes of fast casual-dining restaurants or casual-dining restaurants.'' Other what? There are a ton of restaurants not listed here, since I'm not sure it's humanly possible to list every kind of restuarant, which may be why there's the extensive "see also". Nowhere on this list are ethnic restaurants, or whatever the PC term is. Are they other? How do you class other?


 * I don't think any of us are perfect, and as I work on this I think this is turning into WP:CLEANUP rather than AfD, which was not my goal. While I see the merit in what you and the others are saying, I don't know how to fix this article. Would it be better to have a summary followed by the links to the sub articles (like the see also?) I don't know, but I don't know how to fix the OR or the generalizations. Travellingcari (talk) 06:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


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