Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tzafun (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Afikoman.  MBisanz  talk 18:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Tzafun
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Several reasons for deletion:
 * 1) - article is completely WP:OR. It is actually someone's research paper.
 * 2) - It is a cut and paste of this thesis, and possibly a copyvio. (I don't see any evidence that the holder of the copyright has done anything to release the copyright to wiki). The talk page even clearly states that it is copied from there. (I tried to speedy based on copyvio, but it was contested so I'm going the slow route).
 * 3) - Since the comment on the talk page claims to be from the author of said thesis, that combined with the WP:ELs makes this clearly a case of self promotion.
 * 4) - The topic is already covered at Passover_seder, and I don't see how any of the WP:OR here adds anything substantial. In fact, much of the supposition is simply wrong. I've read a significant number of scholarly works on the passover seder, all far more reputable than this random essay, and none have echoed his conclusions on etymology.  Bachrach44 (talk) 22:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) - This same content appears to have been deleted previously
 * Restore redirect Afikoman and protect - I'm not an expert of this subject but it seems that the author removed the redirect nearly two weeks after the AfD closed with consensus for redirecting the article to Afikoman. Judging by the page history, the author, Dr Wojciech Kosek2, has always been the only user editing the article significantly and appears to be the only area that they have edited. Now, as for the duration of the protection, I question what would be appropriate, the user obviously has good intentions but copying content (whether this article preceded the published pdf or not) is serious and inexperienced users removing redirects with no explanation concerns me. SwisterTwister   talk  01:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, except for the copyvio accusation. The thesis that this article is copied from has a Creative Commons license at the end so copyright is probably not an issue here. Nevertheless, the ideas espoused in this article don't appear to be a mainstream interpretation (for example, the word afikoman is generally believed to be derived from Greek, not a supposed Hebrew compound word), and I generally agree with the rest of the nom. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The pdf in question clearly states that it was copied from Wikipedia, not vice versa, so copyright is certainly not an issue, at least in relation to that document. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Restore redirect to Afikoman and protect, per User:SwisterTwister. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per OR. Wikipedia is not a forum for thesis papers like this one, nor for self-promotion. Yoninah (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Restor redirect, delete article per above -- Jethro  B  23:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect whatever is germane and sensible to the main section about this topic at Passover Seder. Otherwise, too often, it reads like WP:OR, as well as violates WP:CONTENTFORK and even WP:NOTMADEUP, and WP:NOTBLOG. IZAK (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Are you aware that nothing in this article is germane to the topic of Tzafun? It is all the fanciful opinions of one writer, who references only himself. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Yoninah: If indeed it is nothing, so then nothing will be germane then. But at least the name "Tzafun" itself (if nothing else) can be merged, right? Maybe there are one or two other granules that can be saved, let the final editors decide, if and when that happens. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - The article hasn't overcome the problems from the first AfD and there is excessive Original Research in the article. Seems better to start over this point. Tzafun means hiding the afikoman, distribute the Afikoman (the broken half of the middle matzah hidden at the beginning of the Seder). There is source material: New York Jewish Week April 11, 2003, Sun Sentinel April 7, 2009. Not a whole lot, but those will help if someone wants to rewrite the article. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 01:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - pure WP:OR. - MrOllie (talk) 15:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.