Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UEFA Euro 2020


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. clearly a delete per CRYSTAL but I'm happy to userfy if someone wants it Spartaz Humbug! 04:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

UEFA Euro 2020

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The content of this article is currently made up of nothing but speculation and conjecture. No countries have yet bid to host this tournament, and we do not even know if it will go ahead. Some of the content is merely based on assumptions that the format from UEFA Euro 2016 will be repeated in 2020. Some countries have said they might bid for the tournament, while others are merely reported to have said that they might consider possibly bidding if the weather is nice on the day. This article should be deleted. – PeeJay 00:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – PeeJay 01:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, classic WP:CRYSTAL violation. GiantSnowman 01:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] Delete — for now, per WP:NOTCRYSTAL #4. No bias to recreation when this is no longer an extrapolation.  The sources need to be about 2020, not UEFA Euro 2016. Gosox(55)(55) 01:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete or maybe Userfy - I agree it is still premature, but the article is reasonably well written. It might be a good idea to keep the content somewhere less conspicuous until it is needed. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or userfy per User:Gosox5555 and User:Sir Sputnik. By far the most of the article is only speculation at this point and nothing has been confirmed, so it violates WP:CRYSTAL. It can be recreated when something really is confirmed about the 2020 tournament. J I P  &#124; Talk 06:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Userfy: It's obviously a violation of WP:CRYSTAL but why lose all that good work just because it's too early to make it? The C of E.           God Save The Queen! (talk) 09:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - apart from the fact that this article exists normally on six other Wikipedias and that it exists on English Wikipedia for two years, there is also no reason to delete it. Is UEFA Euro 2020 an uncertain event so that we would call the article about this event a violation of WP:CRYSTAL? No it is not, if we don't have a world war breaking out, the UEFA Euro 2020 will take place and it's nothing less certain now in 2010 then in 2008 when the article was opened or in the meantime when no one complained. Is this article called UEFA Euro 2020 filed bids? No, because it's still 2010 and at this point associations are assessing the possibility of bidding but nothing is finalized yet, however this doesn't mean that the plans are vague and uncertain, presidents of local football federations have spoken, ministers in governments have spoken, sport clubs have spoken about the real plans for stadium expansion etc. So I can't see a single reason why would we erase this perfectly normal article.--Avala (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is crystal balling to assume that Euro 2020 will occur. UEFA have not even started discussing Euro 2020 yet. We've only just learned who will host Euro 2016! Just because an article has existed for two years or exists on other Wikipedias does not mean that it has the right to exist now. – PeeJay 14:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then this might be a case of WP:POINT since it is absolutely not crystal balling to assume that Euro 2020 will occur as it is a regular event that takes place each four years and as the relevant institutions, football associations of UEFA, are assessing their plans for participation.--Avala (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We should not assume that the tournament will occur just because a couple of associations are planning bids to host the tournament. UEFA has not made any announcements regarding Euro 2020 yet, and we should not assume that it will occur until they do. – PeeJay 22:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The tournament will take place and assuming that it wont is a pure pointy speculation that is on verge of no original research violation. It is actually crystal balling to say that the tournament might not take place as everything suggests that it will take place.--Avala (talk) 16:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there are formal bids or clear intention to bid already (I haven't looked at all the links), in which case move to UEFA Euro 2020 Bidding Process, and let this location serve as a redirect to that for a while (as presently the case at FIFA 2018 World Cup) Kevin McE (talk) 17:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If we delete this one then we should delete all the other future event articles such as the 2018 Youth Olympics, 2020 Summer Olympics, etc. Besides UEFA has just chosen the host for 2016 and we will know the potential bidders soon enough. Biala Gwiazda (talk) 17:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do we know any solid information about the 2018 Youth Olympics or the 2020 Summer Olympics? If not, then you're right that those should be deleted too. – PeeJay 20:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Userfy: Most of this article is clearly conjecture and a violation of WP:CRYSTAL so far the only formal bid presented to UEFA for Euro 2020 is Bulgaria-Romania the rest are pure speculation. Shamrock141 (talk) 17:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - What would be the point of deleting it, only to have to re-create it again. Unless there is some very good reason to assume that it will not take place as planned, then it should remain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.220.209 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you know we'll have to recreate it? How do you even know that this tournament is going to happen? – PeeJay 07:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Userfy per The C of E, who explains my view rather well. Alzarian16 (talk) 01:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete there's nothing really known about this tournament yet, so it makes little sense to have such an article. Arguments like "it has to be recreated in the future" are pointless, since they would justify the creation of articles like 2100 Summer Olympics (if Olympics are held every four years, they're scheduled to happen on that year!). --Angelo (talk) 09:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There are countries known to bid or known to look into a bid. Regarding Angelo romano's comment about the 2100 Olympics, no it's not. It's like the 2020 Summer Olympics which is similar to this in that nothing official has been announced but a number of cities (in Olympics case) and countries (in Euro's case) are known to be considering bids. And there is plenty of info available about that, even if nothing "official" has been announced by UEFA. Smartyllama (talk) 12:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST is not a good point for AfDs. Also, all I see in this article is just speculation and nothing really definite, but a bunch of "maybe", "might be", and so on. This is obviously against WP:CRYSTAL #3 ("Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate."). --Angelo (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with other stuff exists argument as we are talking about consistency. It is as if someone for whatever reason proposed erasing the article on the upcoming elections in Brazil, it would be a perfectly valid point to mention that there are dozens of articles on upcoming elections.--Avala (talk) 16:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you've missed the point of this AfD. Most of those upcoming elections will have been officially announced by some sort of governmental body, which is how we know they are going to happen. UEFA Euro 2020 has not been officially announced by UEFA, so we do not yet know that it is scheduled to happen. – PeeJay 23:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know what does UEFA stand for? It stands for "Union of European Football Associations" so if those Football Associations that form the Union are talking about this then it is going to take place as UEFA is nothing more than a union of those same associations. When will the main meeting of all associations take place in Nyon, that indeed remains to be seen but it is nothing more than a formality where the exact dates will be set.--Avala (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But it is not the associations that make up the Union that decide when the Euros take place, it is the Union itself. If you understood the inner workings of UEFA, you'd know that. – PeeJay 20:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Rather than spending time in AfD, spend it on improving the article and cleaning it from dubious sources. --SulmuesLet's talk 15:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not the sources that are in doubt, but the speculation that the tournament will even take place. We just don't know whether it will or not! – PeeJay 20:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep there is no reason that this tournament will not occur, and now that Euro 2016 venue has been decided, this is the next competition for which hosting is to be decided and there will be interest in the emerging bidding/interest process. Articles for t'ments beyond 2020 should not yet be created. Further to some of the above comments, the article may need revising in terms of the assumptions of who may be bidding. Eldumpo (talk) 21:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to assume that it will occur either, other than the presumption that the four-year cycle will continue beyond 2016. UEFA has not announced the tournament or the opening of the bidding process yet. – PeeJay 12:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep or Userfy - There is sourced information here about the event, which is extremely likely to occur and if not the information about countries preparing bids for the event that surprisingly didn't occur and the reasons for the event being called off will still be worthy of an article. That said, most of the sourced information is still speculative, so I can see moving the article from main space for now.  But in that case, userfication is a better solution than deletion, per C of E and others. Rlendog (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or Userfy. Of course, in a few years the article would be recreated, but as it is now, there is too much speculation that is akin to original research. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 03:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.