Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 4


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. When you have editors both arguing to Keep and Delete with the same rationale (i.e. WP:SPORTSEVENT) it is clear that the relevance of this type of event to the guideline needs to be re-assessed Black Kite (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

UFC 4

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This event fails WP:NOT, WP:EVENT, WP:SPORTSEVENT, and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER as there is no indication that the event has any enduring notability and lasting significance. Portillo (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 31.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  10:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to newly created 1994 in UFC events. Nominator bulk nominated several of these with the exact same reasoning without considering a Multi-AfD.  Merging is better than outright deletion. Hasteur (talk) 12:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Mt  king  (edits)  12:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Per WP:SPORTSEVENT, this event determined the champion of a top league so it satisfies the notability guideline. BearMan998 (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep what looks like all 28 nominations, which appear disruptive to ongoing RFC on the topic. Sufficient coverage in Yahoo and other sources. Insufficient discussion or consensus on mass deletions. Merge to proper year "in UFC events" is possible. Guidelines mentioned by nom do not serve as deletion arguments when other keep arguments exist (based on both GNG and consensus to either keep or merge demonstrated at 5 years of similar debates). This boilerplate summary represents several much deeper issues that such a misguided nom doesn't address. Not watching. JJB 17:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think that Wikipedia is better with articles of this sort than without them, the UFC series being the most widely publicized benchmark for MMA. Combining these into collections of events taking place in each year would be fine; whether that would be preferable, I can't say. Wiping these admittedly imperfect articles out en masse isn't the answer to anything, however, and WP would be a worse entity if that were to occur. If the closing administrator needs a policy-based rationale, file this under our time-tested main policy of Ignore All Rules — don't let rules get in the way of improvement of the encyclopedia, use common sense. This will be cut-and-pasted as appropriate due to the cut-and-paste nominations here. Carrite (talk) 02:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. UFC 4 featured the debut of Dan Severn and Guy Metzger, Ron Van Clief's fight, the one that made him the oldest competitor to date in the UFC at 51, and the notorious Hackney-Son nut-punch fight, each of which have recieved coverage in independent sources. Any one of these would be grounds for encyclopaedic notability: all of them put together should make for absolutely no question. Also, I second that this nomination is disruptive in the light of the ongoing RFC. -Toptomcat (talk) 06:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In answer that that notability is not inherited (see WP:NOTINHERITED. Mt  king  (edits)  03:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - No claim is made in the article to any enduring notability (WP:NOT), the results section of the article is not sourced to what you can call reliable sources. In answer to JJB failing WP:NOT or WP:EVENT is reason to delete, have no issue to userfication (or to the MMA project space) to allow for a Merge if reliable sources can be found on it. Mt  king  (edits)  03:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep WP:POINTy nomination. Simple as that. Gamezero  05  05:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article doesn't provide reliable sources with significant coverage that make analytic or evaluative claims about the event, so I believe it doesn't even pass the general notability guideline. Like other similar articles, the information is merely routine coverage, nothing to indicate historical significance or at least a significant lasting effect of the event, so it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. The article falls into what Wikipedia is not as it is at best a news report and the topic does not meet the exception criteria of WP:SPORTSEVENT since, outside routine coverage, there are no independent reliable sources indicating that the event is notable and there is no sanctioning body or league to presume that it is inherently notable. With no target for a redirect and a lack of reliable references, I favor deletion. Jfgslo (talk) 18:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:SPORTSEVENT. --Cavarrone (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.