Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UK Junior Gliding


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The result was delete and redirect to British Gliding Association. Consensus that this is not yet independently notable.  Sandstein  12:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

UK Junior Gliding

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Likely hoax. There is no indication that the British Gliding Association has a dedicated youth arm. The article is based solely on primary sources, neither of which confirms the mere existence of a separate society, much less any of the specific details given in the article. If it exists at all, UK Junior Gliding is utterly non-notable. The article was prodded, prod removed without addressing these key issues. Huon (talk) 07:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:50, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

UK Junior Gliding is far from non-notable, and is most certainly not a hoax. The Movement as a whole operates under the umbrella of the British Gliding Association to promote gliding to people under 26 years of age, and in the past few years has gone from strength to strength. Regular "Winter Series" events are held throughout the Winter, with up to 100 Junior pilots travelling to a gliding site for a weekend's flying and networking. The UK Junior Gliding Facebook page, which acts as the Juniors' main website, has over 1800 followers In December 2015, a group of Juniors travelled to Narromine in Australia for the FAI Junior World Gliding Championships, and returned with both Gold and Bronze medals in the Club Class

In summary, this Page needs more information adding to it, but it certainly does not need deletion on the grounds of being a hoax, nor on the grounds of being non-notable — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMugglePilot (talk • contribs) 10:17, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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 * Delete cant see anything of note but might be worth a mention on the BGA article if reliable references are found. MilborneOne (talk) 17:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 *  Merge with Redirect to British Gliding Association. It is very evidently not a hoax but there is insufficient material to justify a standalone article. Its web site hangs off the BGA web site - its mention on Wikipedia should do the same. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:10, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Quoting notability guidelines "Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability."
 * It's not a Hoax, it's notable, and policy disallows deletion due to poor content.
 * Checkmate --Aniolare (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not quite. See WP:PAGEDECIDE. A notable topic may be better treated as a subtopic or section of a parent topic's article. The King can still escape in a merge move. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 08:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have not seen any evidence beyond a Facebook page's title that suggests a "society" named "UK Junior Gliding" exists. To the best of my knowledge the British Gliding Association's website does not confirm that they have a separate youth organization; while it mentions junior gliding in the UK and once uses the word order "UK junior gliding", that clearly is not a reference to an organization or branch of that name. So if one of those editors claiming it's not a hoax can provide reliably-sourced evidence that "UK Junior Gliding" is an organization or society of some kind, I'd be grateful if they pointed it out. Please note that notability would be a much higher standard. In particular, there's no reliably-sourced content at all that could possibly be merged. Huon (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that in content terms a merge would be little more than a content deletion and adding a new section from scratch to the BGA article, but there are some fragments that can be verified and copy-pasted across, for example the fact that it exists as an arm of the BGA and associated web links, also the merge process will create a redirect which is more useful than a red link. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 09:26, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "The fact that it exists as an arm of the BGA"? Citation needed. The BGA does not have a separate youth arm. Rather, The British Gliding Association has set up a network of Junior Gliding Centres (JGCs) which, the way I interpret the BGA website, do not form a sub-organization of their own but all were independently set up by the BGA. Besides, I do not think an invented name of an organization that does not exist makes a useful redirect. Huon (talk) 10:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose it depends on whether you regard the Junior Gliding Coordinator as an "arm" or not. It's a trivial point, I really don't care. More importantly, "UK Junior Gliding" is the name they use on social media and people will be typing that in to the Search box to find out more. Contrary to your personal opinion, the evidence shows that it is therefore important to keep this page as a redirect. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:51, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete at best as this is currently questionably notable and this can then be mentioned at the British Gliding Association if better sourcing can be found. SwisterTwister   talk  20:54, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I have now copied across to British Gliding Association the tiny fragments worth keeping and added a couple more. So that's the first part of any merge done by default. The second part is to make this page a redirect. Or, you can all agree to call an Admin in to delete it just so you can have the pleasure of watching someone like me recreate it as a redirect. Frankly, I don't care - the end point will be the same either way. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 12:21, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


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