Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Lillie B (SP-1502)


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The result was redirect to List of patrol vessels of the United States Navy. It's up to editors to determine whether to also merge something from the history.  Sandstein  16:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

USS Lillie B (SP-1502)

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A motorboat that was leased by the US Navy for a grand total of 138 days, saw no action during that time. Even the DANFS entry is pitifully short and not really enough to establish notability on its own, imo. A google search brought up no other coverage. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to List of patrol vessels of the United States Navy, where it is included appropriately in the list. If this craft had been commissioned, it would be an automatic keep - commissioning establishes notability - but as the craft is only described as "leased", in the absense of contradictory sources it seems clear it was never commissioned, and uncomissioned small patrol craft that aren't otherwise satisfying GNG are by precedent deleted or redirected. Logical redirect target and redirects are cheap. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above. A quick check shows Ships' Data, U.S. Naval Vessels (1918) entry, sometimes a lead to a civilian history of interest, is largely blank. Palmeira (talk) 12:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect per the above comments. I see no indication that this passes GNG. Parsecboy (talk) 21:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, but wait. I cannot argue with the general view that this naval vessel does not pass WP:GNG, but that only applies to stand-alone articles, not to inclusion in another article. Just turning this into a redirect effectively deletes the modest content altogether because the proposed target is just a straight index and has no provision for description. I don't think that this project should be telling the enquiring reader "Yes, there was a vessel Lillie B (SP-1502) that served in the US Navy. Period. There was some more detail but we've thrown it away." A suitable destination, whether a revamped List of patrol vessels of the United States Navy or a more appropriate spin-off, should be fixed first and then the merger can follow. Davidships (talk) 14:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've long suggested the treatment of the Lists of Empire ships be the model for all sorts of U.S.N. vessels of little importance other than a listing in DANFS. That is going to take a coordinated effort or a valiant single dedication to long term focus. Bluntly I doubt it will be done. I do not see keeping stand alone articles that are so thin as this until that "whenever" comes. What is here is a DANFS copy, as most are, so I think a note in the list with DANFS link is a good interim solution. Some of these SPs have interesting and notable yacht or other histories (one of my long term projects) but most were just mundane yachts and miscellaneous vessels. What is also lost is a reality that the whole SP thing was essentially a mechanism for a wealthy yacht owner to provide a base so he, relatives and friends could "play Navy" — unless the yacht got selected for distant service "over there" and the crews did not come back to the club after duty. That story is barely told here. Palmeira (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per Davidships. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:30, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge -- A hired patrol boat is inherently NN.  Only if its civilian career was notable could we allow a stand alone article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of patrol vessels of the United States Navy. Nothing notable is mentioned in the article and no one can locate other sources.  // Timothy ::  talk  07:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are other sources (which will be added when we have sorted out a revamp of the proposed destination so that it can me merged and then edited appropriately - I am working on the revamp at the moment Davidships (talk) 09:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


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