Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USUAggies.com

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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash talk 01:46, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

USUAggies.com
By checking this out, 216.190.35.218 has a vendetta against a competitor, tureaggie.com, and isn't this vanity? --fpo 04:51, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree. Almost 6 months ago, I personally added a link to TrueAggie.com (as its a housing resource for students) to the bottom of the Utah State University article.  I'm an admin on TrueAggie.com, but DID NOT add anything other than one link to one article.  In May this year and since then, one particular IP has consistently spammed the link usuaggies.com on to every article having to do with logan, utah or USU, and in the process aggrandizing itself within the articles by claiming to be a primary news outlet for students.  Further, this same IP (and one other) consistently (every day or two this month so far) purges all references to trueaggie.com and puts links to usuaggies.com in its place.  I believe its fine for references to usuaggies.com as well as trueaggie.com - by why is one side so biased?  In no edits have I ever removed usuaggies.com links or references.  I've edited it - correcting the fact that that site is not the secondmost media outlet serving USU, but that the comm departments own website does more than usuaggies.com and that usuaggies.com is a private editorial board. This article is, as mentioned above, vanity - and should be considered spam.  The IP  216.190.35.218 and 66.219.228.90 should also be blocked as their users have violated several wikipedia policies in its users personal vendetta and promotional efforts. --ncmlnr August 4, 2005
 * Keep. While Ncmlnr is correct in several of his arguments they are not germane as to whether this article should be deleted.  It was certainly poor etiquitte of whoever deleted the TA links and put the USUAGGIES.COM links in places that weren't topical.    I sympathize with Ncmlnr and his frustrations.    Both links should co-exist and are very relevent to USU.  However, immature behavior on other pages of adding and eliminating links does not change whether this particular page is relevent to USU.    It, like TA, is a site that is used by thousands of students.   At other schools, such as byu, the domain byucougars.com or utahutes.com is owned by the University.   This page is helpful in identifying what USUAggies.com is as well as who is (and is not) responsible for it.    Further, the activities and discussions at USUAggies.com are helpful for outsiders looking to get a feel for what the political and social climate is like at Utah State.    Also, FPO is making the allegation that this particular IP is a "competitor" (ie the owner of USUAggies.com or a contributor).   While this is likely, the conclusion is at best circumstantial, and until a definate link can be made the allegation should be retracted.   The action could have been done by anyone for any reason.--PDek August 4, 2005
 * Delete. Let's take a field trip to the Utah State University revision history. Our first stop shows me removing all Big West mentions of USU. USU is in the WAC as of 7/1/2005. Next, one of the IPs that is behind this article here, 216.190.35.218, is shown removing trueaggie websites and replacing them with his or her (for ease of typing, henceforth known as him or he) website, usuaggies.com. Next, 216.190.35.218 is shown removing further reference to trueaggie.com. The next edit is irrelevant. Here, we see Ncmlnr putting the TrueAggie links back, and keeping the USUAggies.com links as well. Note that he is not deleting anything! He then fixes spacing in his next edit. Now we see a USUAggie.com person remove the TrueAggie link, and put his USUAggies.com link ahead of the official school website! He then deletes all True Aggie.com references. Ncmlnr then reverts the page back, but he didn't put his edit summary :( Afterwards, 216.190.35.218 gets back to his old tricks again, deleting TrueAggie references. I then basically did a revert. 216.190.35.218 then removed the trueaggie external link yet again. Next, he removed all references to TrueAggie.com. By this time, I became frustrated, and I removed all references to both sites. Ncmlmr than did something similar. That's my story, and why I voted delete. And, if that isn't enough, this seems like vanity. Also...
 * Alexa Traffic Rank for trueaggie.com: 1,734,883
 * Alexa Traffic Rank for usuaggies.com: 4,735,754 < fpo 05:40, August 5, 2005 (UTC) talk


 * PDek, I do agree with some of what you say, specifically that the article does identify what usuaggies.com is and isn't, and who by. I don't agree that what I discussed above does not pertain to this particular article. Wikipedia policy seems to say that a users editing history, etc., will be used to indicate intent of vandalism, spamming, etc.  I posted the above facts to demonstrate that the same IP that created this article, also went on a link spree and vandalized articles by deleting other's additions. As a final note, one IP in question is registered as belonging to a DSL customer in Logan, Utah - a radio station and the admin of USUAggies.com works at a radio station :-). The other is registered to another ISP that is credited (by the admin of usuaggies.com himself) with providing the wireless broadband at the apartments that the admin of USUaggies.com manages and lives at. Hmmm...strong link? yes.  Proof? not absolute.

I believe it should be under the self-promotion, vanity and spam guidelines of wikipedia. But, notice that I took no action myself to delete or remove (except once as an agreement to fpo that both should be removed if one was!) usuaggies.com links or this article, except voicing my own opinion and offering facts to this discussion and correcting info about the number and prominance of news outlets at USU within pertinent articles. Still DELETE --ncmlnr August 5, 2005

UPDATE - the admin of USUAggies.com called me today, and mentioned that he had no knowledge of the happenings on the wikipedia until recently, and has talked with the one (those?) who made all the changes. He believes that both sites contribute and should both be relevant to USU. I agree. I would recommend KEEPING if the article were written by a 3rd party or re-written, and the contributor did not show malice towards other sites / article content and others contributory edits. Such would negate the "historical edits" context, and make the arguement on the article itself as pdek suggested, not on the authors promotional, spam-like and even wiki-vandalism efforts. --ncmlnr August 5, 2005
 * Delete (maybe) &#8212; I agree that there has been repeated and systematic vandalism and junk entries centering around multiple pages containing links to usuaggies.com. And I'll agree that the evidence seems to point to someone's efforts to promote usuaggies.com. This behavior is certainly inappropriate and the offending contributor(s) should be blocked if possible. However, the users are anonymous and not registered. Blocking IP addresses is very blunt way to solve the problem since it might block other users. Even so, I'm reluctantly in favor of blocking the offending IPs because the bad behavior is so consistent, systematic and spread across multiple pages. About deleting the Wikipedia USUAggies.com page: Is a small, private Web site really a legitimate subject deserving its own page? Should every similar Web site be entitled to its own Wikipedia page? Is USUAggies.com an important and notable part of university life at USU, or is it just a small, here-today, gone-tomorrow Web site? Should one user be allowed to liberally ad links to this small private Web site on all the pages dealing with Logan, Cache Valley, USU and many of the pages dealing with Utah? I don't really know the answer to these questions, but my gut feeling is that it's no more deserving of a separate page on Wikipedia than thousands of other, small private Web sites. On the other hand, the Wikipedia USUAggies.com page isn't the real problem, instead, it's the ongoing, blatant promotion and vandalism perpitrated a certain user. &#8212; Maylett 03:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with Ncmlr. Tom Grover is an asshole. unsigned by
 * Comment and apology - I hate to inflict this debate on everyone, but this nom has not been previously listed here- now fixing. --Doc (?) 21:45, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Delete Molotov (talk)  22:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. -- Kjkolb 03:22, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete To paraphrase the article: "There are two main news outlets at USU...then there's the non-notable USUAggies.com Paul 17:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
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