Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ugly Betty (season 3)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep per ArbCom, even if this is not my favorite TV show. Bearian (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ugly Betty (season 3)

 * - (View AfD) (View log) Procedural nomination. Article was an overturned speedy from DRV. It is unclear if the article passes WP:PROF. No sources at the moment. AdamDeanHall (talk) 01:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I do not really see how WP:PROF is relevant here, but I support deletion either way. The reference provided is about a pick up from October, 2006. As such, the article would seem to be snowballing to me, besides being unverifiable. SorryGuy Talk  05:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Looks like crystal balling to me, and there's no actual content other than to say there will be a third season later in the year. By all means recreate once there is someting to say, though. Incidentaly, I don't see any record of this being an overturned speedy. PC78 (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  18:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: As part of an ongoing Arbitration case, there is a temporary injunction preventing redirection or deletion of television series episode articles. the wub "?!"  18:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: The article is about a season, not an episode. There are no episodes in this season yet, anyway. The injunction doesn't seem to apply here. PC78 (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The suggestion that the injunction applies to "episodes only", and not pagers for lists of episodes, reeks of WP:LAWYER. -- Willow Wait  ( talk ) 06:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and/or redirect to List of Ugly Betty episodes. The RfAr is in regard to WP:NOTABLE. This debate is about WP:CRYSTAL so I do not think that this is a violation of the temporary injunction. Wait for it… (the second season to finish airing). – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  18:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a third season is forthcoming and we need all the info we can get. This isn't WP:CRYSTAL or whatever, the third season is guaranteed to occur. Since the strike happened, it will be notable to see how the season will be affected because of the shortened second season. Again, I say keep. 65.83.231.100 (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Slight Keep - While I wished however created this wouldn't have jumped the gun, seeing as though the WGA Strike is over and ABC has announced it is picking up the third season, the article will fill in quickly over time. I would also support a temporary redirect to Season 2 article until the episode list for Season 3 is available, but based on the reference and the statement from ABC, I AM srongly against deleting this article. Makes no sense to delete this only to have it be recreated properly in a month and face more challenges and debates because of this debate.  So I say keep, although raher mildly.  Tippytim304 (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 04:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The entire article is full of unsourced info and speculation. The only thing confirmed is that there will be a 3rd season. Delete all unsourced info and the article will be a 1 sentence stub ("There will be a 3rd season of Ugly Betty").  TJ   Spyke   05:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Unless there's a national emergency, there will be a season 3 which will inevitably be fleshed out with detauls by UB fans. The current page acts a placeholder. Also, more details will become available before the start. Excuse My Dust (talk) 10:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. It looks like some people have short memories - we've just come off a writer's strike which cancelled several episode of House, Scrubs, Heroes, Lost, and those are just the ones I watch. Will (talk) 15:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The only argument so far I've seen for keeping that article is that the article is a placeholder for a season of episodes that is going to happen. First off, Wikipedia is not the place for placeholders. The article can be created when the season comes out. The only information on the topic is the stars and when it supposedly will air. It only has one reference throughout the whole article. In addition, even though some say it is definite the season will air, there are arguments that can be posed (like the one above) which say otherwise. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 20:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - What arguments can be posed? ABC and the show's production company have jointly announced that a Season 3 will happen, so what argument can exist that credibly would cast a doubt on Season3's potential?  Tippytim304 (talk) 17:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Season 3 will happen and more niformation will rapidly appear. If article is deleted, it will take a vote to undelete it.  We don't want to lose the potential to have a Season 3 article because of an AfD vote of delete today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.206.20 (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - ABC is defintely stated in a press release that there will be a season three and furthermore that some of the Season 2 episodes will become part of Season 3. I would support a redirect to Season 2 with relevant info there, but not a delete.  We already have at least two strong sources (one being ABC itself) to say there WILL be a season 3.  No delete, that's my vote.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.206.20 (talk) 02:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It would not take a vote to recreate the article when some actual info exists. Right not the ONLY info that is confirmed is that there will be a 3rd season, everything else is unsourced speculation.  TJ   Spyke   23:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a Wikipedia policy that once an article is deemed unencyclopedic, any attempts at recreation of the article are to be speedy deleted on sight and editor can be banned for repeated recreation (violating the AfD). AfD is not a light vote.  That's I support merging the article to Season 2 since (and its sourced) that some of the ideas for Season 2 will become Season 3 due to the strike.  I agree the person should not have jumped the gun and created the article, but now that it is here, why can't be try to make it more encyclopedic?  Why MUST it be deleted?  Just a thought.....Tippytim304 (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No good sources posted - Wiki shouldn't assume any are coming.  If there are any later, the page can be recreated.  Right now though, it doesn't meet criteria for inclusion. Alvis (talk) 06:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Doesn't crystal ball apply to events for which there is no proof it will exist and everything is speculation? 172.166.79.24 (talk) 14:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment to above two posts. If you read Wikipedia's crystall ball policy, we CAN have an article about the 2016 Olympic Games (7+ years away).  Why?  Because we know the games will happen and there is already revelant information.  We can't have an article on 2040 Olympics because there is no proof such an event will happen (Olympics could be abolished, apocalypse could happen, whatever....If someone would have created an article about Season 4 of Ugly Betty I would whole-heartedly support a delete (and a speedy at that).  But since ABC and Salma Hayek's production company have both announced the return of Season 3, we aren't speculating.  We aren't "assuming there will be a season 3".  We know there will be a season 3 because it was announced.  Now, the article itself is very anemic and needs revelant info from the press release and Silvio Horta's interview with Entertainment Weekly.  I again say we can merge the article to Season 2, with a revelant discussion about Season 3 since may of the story idea's from Season 2 that couldn't happen because of the WGA Strike will start the basis of Season 3.  But a delete.  No way.  Keep or redirect to Season 2.  That's my vote Tippytim304 (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is the second time I have seen AdamDeanHall cite WP:PROF in an AFD that has nothing to do with professors. The season will happen. It's fine leaving it as a stub for now. --Pixelface (talk) 04:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per current ArbCom injunction. -- Willow Wait  ( talk ) 06:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


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