Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainskiye Otruba


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Əbil. Randykitty (talk) 11:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Ukrainskiye Otruba

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No such village in classifier of administartive divisions  Anatoliy  ( Talk ) 22:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't think  this Russian-language source would be deemed reliable by the project's standards. But in the section/article "О ЖИЗНИ РУССКИХ В ГЕКЧАЕ, САБИРАБАДЕ И СААТЛЫ", it discusses Russian place-names in Azerbaijan and mentions Украинские Отруба as a village. From my wretched machine translation assisted reading of the section, I get the impression that this village would have been renamed post-1991. Other than that, I'm utterly unable to evaluate the reliability of this source, although I believe it's a 1979 government publication, but Украинские Отруба does appear on what I read to be a list of named settlements in the Azerbaijani SSR (p. 192). That said, I'm neutral on the article's fate. If it was a village renamed after independence, it'd be ideal to point this as a redirect to the current name, but I'm well past my limit of being able to assist with this material due to language barriers. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 00:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: the GEOnames database—as well as Wikipeda—say that it is the same as Əbil. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 00:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey, what do you know. With that in mind redirect to Əbil. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are, however, serious sourcing problems concerning places in Azerbaijan, as article Əbil admits. This issue has come up one AfD before, but I can't find the relevant discussion now. See also Dokshin, another lost settlement in Azerbaijan. Google Maps in satellite view shows many unlabeled settlements, including one or two where Əbil should be. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 02:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * See, for example:
 * Articles for deletion/Gasaneri (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Maf, Shamkir
 * Articles for deletion/Əngəlan (long!)
 * Note the criticism of the GEOnames database. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 02:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that's awkward. I suspect that the document hosted at history.az is a legitimate Soviet-era publication, which means that this place, under this article name, at least was an occupied settlement, which suggests we keep this in some form because WP:GEOLAND explicitly agrees that formerly populated places still count. But beyond that? Absent some source that gives insight into what the government in Baku did with place names after 1991, I'm not sure what to do here. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Əbil, where it should be mentioned as "according to the GEOnames database, or something to that effect. A short note on the town's history based on the Novoye Vremya article (Squeamish Ossifrage: why do you consider this source unreliable?) should probably also be included, once merged/redirected. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 19:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * My limited capacity to deal with Russian-language sources wasn't letting me find any sort of editorial standards page; if that's a respected media source, all the better, but I'm not also sure that the Novoye Vremya at www.novoye-vremya.com is the same as the Novoye Vremya at www.newtimes.ru. 19:47, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point, my mistake; www.novoye-vremya.com is actually an Azerbaijani newspaper, apparently the Russian edition of the Azerbaijani-language Yeni Zaman. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 20:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 04:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 05:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Anatoliy, Squeamish Ossifrage: does anyone object to redirecting to Əbil per GEOnames, without the novoyevremya.com information? If so, this can be closed. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.