Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulrich Ellison (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Or no consensus, but certainly no consensus for deletion.  Sandstein  19:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ulrich Ellison
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Refs seem to consist of tour announcements/ album releases, and the like; one of them is a promotional piece for Texas Music Water; the interview with guitarz includes no links to any information about the publisher; the publications in Austin do not have broad enough audiences; etc. I wasn't able to properly evaluate the German refs, but the English ones do not seem to add up to a bona fide notability claim as defined by non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable independent sources with at least regional readership. Article was deleted once before, am not sure how much better this version is than that one was. KDS 4444 Talk  19:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - (ec, need to type faster) The English sources aren't great, but both German sources (one from Austria actually) clearly add to notability. The Südkurier is a large regional newspaper, the Kronen Zeitung is the largest Austrian newspaper. Both German-language articles contain detailed information about his actual performances, style and background. Unfortunately this information is not really reflected within the article. A third acceptable source is the "Taunus Zeitung" in External links: this newspaper is part of the "Frankfurter Neue Presse", another well-known regional newspaper around Frankfurt am Main. It's still a bit borderline, but based on this coverage the topic should be notable enough, even if no other in-depth sources seem to be available (via Google search). GermanJoe (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete as there's nothing better at this time but this can be restarted if and once better sources are found. SwisterTwister   talk  06:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Bona Fide Hi guys, this is Ulrich himself. A fan started this wikipedia entry. I think she did a good job. I myself know very little about wikipedia. If there is any articles/reviews that should be added, let me know and I will try to come up with that material. For example, I was awarded 3 student awads from Downbeat Magazine, and there was an article of me in Downbeat back in 2008. Thanks, U — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EE81:3500:C4A1:A42D:1BC4:699A (talk) 04:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * While an artist should not edit their own article on Wikipedia, anyone is welcome to suggest additional reliable sources here in the AfD discussion, or later on the article's talkpage (if the article is kept). Any additional neutral and reliably sourced information is appreciated, and could be useful for uninvolved editors to improve the article. GermanJoe (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * weak keep Downbeat is a widely respected source in the industry so that has to amount to something. But I agree the article needs to offer more proof that he is anything other than a local music scene figure. ShelbyMarion (talk) 03:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note - I had to clarify the award categories in the list section though (and a clear ref for 2010 is missing). Just mentioning that change for clarity - I still think, it could be within week keep territory as voted above. GermanJoe (talk) 13:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


 * delete - I'm trying hard to assume good faith here, but the article creator's pattern of editing (including several now-deleted article creations) strongly suggests "paid editor" rather than "enthusiastic fan". That aside, I just don't see that WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG are met. The German sources are better than the English-language ones, but a couple of fairly brief reviews, albeit in large newspapers, don't quite cut it. It's borderline, but I'm coming down on the side of delete. --bonadea contributions talk 11:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The Austin Chronicle, is a reputed news agency having around 2,00,000 + users.. Südkurier is a Big regional newspaper and the Kronen Zeitung is the largest Austrian newspaper. "Taunus Zeitung" newspaper is part of the Frankfurter Neue Presse -https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Neue_Presse and Bonadea How on earth can you accuse and tell that me (author) of this page is not a fan of Ulrich ? How can you tell i am not a fan of him or not. More over I have different interests and you accused this of Paid editing ??? I find most of the articles I created were tagged by you for deletion and you telling the author is a person who's articles got deleted ? . I dont know why , but that's unethical for you to do that ! Alwayssmileguys (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep It's borderline possibly "too soon", however, Austin is a big city notable for a huge music scene and there does appear to be some notability so I'm going to err on keep. Also, I hate that other editors are jumping on the "paid editor" bandwagon. It seems to me it would be better to pay some who has a better grasp of the English language. {P.S. - It isn't awful, it just seems like the sentences, to me, are all attempting to be punchlines!) --MurderByDeadcopy"bang!" 03:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Jkudlick t c s 03:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notability has been established and I agree about the Austin music scene. This has some fairly good sources. It just needs clean up. Fylbecatulous talk</b> 16:08, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


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