Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulrich Woronowicz


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Ulrich Woronowicz

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A minor priest in opposition to GRD/Stasi. A couple of brief mentions in books about West Germany, and lots of self-published ebooks Staszek Lem (talk) 05:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The German Wikipedia has an article about him with four references showing notability. Any German speaking editor can translate that content and expand the existing stub. If it wasn't for the fact that my German is pretty weak, I would give it a try.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Trivial references. actually 3 not 4. YOu even didn cout them, not to say about reading, right? German article demonstrates no particular notability. - Altenmann >t 07:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep its very rare for wp:de to include rubbish - their quality control is much better than wp:en. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, not always. And they have their own criteria for notability. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -- A quick glance at the German WP (in translation) suggests that there is rather more to say than is appoarent in the English WP article. It says that he died in 2011, and provides a longer bibliography of works mostly issued (re-issued?) as pdf files in 2010.  The fact that someone took ther trouble to issue the works of a theologian who wrote in the bygone context of GDR (and retired soon after its demise) agains suggests that he was significant.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It could have been his children. Sources, please. German WP says nothing concrete beyound him being in dissent with GDR and Stasi-watched. But we know Stasi watched everybody.  Staszek Lem (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The German WP may have good quality control, but their lack of inline sources and the fact that the sources in this article are not linked, make it difficult to verify that these are more than just in-passing mentions... --Randykitty (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope that difficulty is not being suggested a reason to delete an article. It is surprising to see that although the citations issue is raised here in WP so much that so much still gets into the system without ANYTHING to source it out. I tell people all the time that if you want to state something then you have to provide a means by which someone can determine if it has any level of credibility' we all do not have personal contact with each other and of course there is always the chance that you are not available to confirm.76.170.88.72 (talk) 00:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course, not, that's why I only wrote that as a comment, not a !vote. It is perfectly fine to source stuff to sources that are not online, but that generally does not make it easier to check those sources. Just sayin'. --Randykitty (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I've added an English language source from Googlebooks which makes it clear that he was a highly significant anti-State figure and that his surveillance was much more intensive than that of ordinary East Germans. The de:Wiki article includes a substantial list of his writings. If I get time tomorrow I'll translate the German article.Eustachiusz (talk) 02:00, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've now translated and transferred the information on de:Wiki, and added a little more from google searches. There is a lot more out there and the article could certainly be expanded with more time than I can presently give it, but I think there is enough to show notability as a theologian, a political/ecclesiastical figure and as a writer (with works still in print). BTW the information was not difficult to find... Eustachiusz (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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