Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulthar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Cats of Ulthar. Tone 11:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Ulthar

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Fictional location that fails WP:NFICTION, WP:GNG and WP:PLOT. Deprodded by User:Necrothesp with "significant location in Lovecraft's work". Sigh. What location isn't significant for a fan? But we need something more than that. Sources, anyone? Not WP:PRIMARY, of course... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  10:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. One of the most significant cities in the Dreamlands works of Lovecraft and his followers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect to Dream Cycle. The article fails to assert notability. "One of the most significant cities" needs to be backed up by sources to be a relevant keep !vote. TTN (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge or redirect to Dream Cycle. Goustien (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The significance of the place in Lovecraft's works depends on which story you're reading. It is, however, significant enough as a concept existing outside Lovecraft's works that this can be easily sourced and added (I've done so). As the article has already started noting, Ulthar is relevant because it doesn't just belong to Lovecraft, but has taken a life of its own. The article previously mentioned Kij Johnson; I've added the Swedish graphic novel Mara från Ulthar (important enough to be reviewed in the newspapers, at least; the source I added specifically noting the literary borrowing) and there are others as well. /Julle (talk) 00:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You need non-plot info for it to be relevant. Simply being used by other authors is not notability. TTN (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to "The Cats of Ulthar" There appears to be no significant scholarly or journalistic coverage of the fictional city of Ulthar. Furthermore, when someone searches for it, it is likely that they are searching for "The Cats of Ulthar". &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 05:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails NFICTION/GNG. Pure PLOT. Necrothesp does not advance a valid AfD argument. Kacper IV (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.