Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights

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a sporting event that gets no coverage outside kickboxing sources. 1 gnews hits and all google reveals is sources connected to kickboxing and listings. being on youtube or televised or having notable fighters does not grant automatic notability. fails WP:GNG also nominating:
 * United Glory 12
 * United Glory 13 LibStar (talk) 15:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 16:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep – United Glory are one of the strongest promotions in Europe – top 3 in the continent and top 5 worldwide. They have just had a very successful dual kickboxing and MMA tournaments the kickboxing tourney was won by Gokhan Saki – a top 10 heavyweight kickboxer and involved participants of the calibre of Errol Zimmerman, Hesdy Gerges (It’s Showtime Heavyweight champion), Nieky Holzken, Ruslan Karaev, Alexey Ignashov, Semmy Schilt (kickboxing) and Strikeforce world champion and top 3 ranked heavyweight Alistair Overeem.  It was a notable event that was well reported by kickboxing websites.   I would have suggested to the page editor that he should find some better sources and then maybe the deletion tag could be applied. jsmith006 (talk) 20:56, 2 July 2011
 * I tried to find third party sources but could not. " It was a notable event that was well reported by kickboxing websites. " No, third party coverage is required to meet WP:GNG. LibStar (talk) 03:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you actually tell me what you consider to be a good source and could you actually give any examples please - as Jehrobot was courteous enough. I also thought GNews was the most important way of guaging notability for you - so 1 hit must be somewhat impressive and an indicator or notability.  Do you also think that perhaps a tag giving the author the chance to improve the article would be fairer so they have the chance to improve it? jsmith006 (talk) 7:37, 2 July 2011
 * see WP:RS for what constitutes reliable sources. LibStar (talk) 07:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rather than simply refer me to one of the many WP's - can you please give me an example of what you think would be a good source for kickboxing? jsmith006 (talk) 8:52, 2 July 2011

major newspaper, or major sports news site (that is not connected to kickboxing). anything indepth and independent of kickboxing. LibStar (talk) 02:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * While those would be very good, kickboxing or MMA magazines (or even websites) qualify as reliable sources as long as they have independent editorial control and/or acknowledged independent experts as authors. I think the bigger problem with many of these WP articles is that many of them fail to show they're more than the routine reporting of sports results. Papaursa (talk) 00:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Half the sports related pages in wikipedia could be under deletion like that. Just for an example, like i mentioned earlier pradal serey did not give me any decent gnews hits either, and i wonder how many hits you gonna get from major sports news site (not connected to kickboxing) for it. Its only been practiced in southeast asia for 1000 years or so. What you doing is nothing to do with wikipedia anymore, you're on some kinda personal power trip here and just don't care.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 03:44, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not add to notability of this article. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Was not trying to add notability by that example, just pointed out a flaw in your thought process the way you try to delete things.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 04:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Almost every fighter on this card is highly notable. This was one of the biggest card of the year. -- WölffReik (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2011
 * Keep all While more information about the events other than results would be nice in the articles, I'm finding coverage in a variety of areas including affiliates of USA Today. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You must be a better searcher than I. Could you provide a link to any of them so the article references could be improved? I'd have added some references if I'd found them, but struck out. Cloveapple (talk) 02:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete If sources could be added surely almost 20 days would have been enough time to add them in? Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights has only 1 independent reference (I'm not counting the one that appears to be the event site!) The Sherdog site is an independent reference and is probably an ok reference since it has editors and therefore has fact checking. #12 has a blog (bshowassault.blogspot.com) as one of the two references. WP:SPS applies here. Though there might be a case to make for this blog - I don't know. The other one is sherdog again so that's probably ok. So again one reliable source. #13 has adcombat.com which I can't judge as a reference and mmamadman.com which I also couldn't judge. Both seem independent. I'd have been happier if either listed editors but they might be just fine. Cloveapple (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all - quite simply they lack the sources to meet WP:GNG - if after all this time no sources have been found then we can assume there are none out there. Even the single Sherdog reference simply reports the results without editorial comment. One of the keepers, above, says "I'm finding coverage in a variety of areas including affiliates of USA Today." but none have been produced. TerriersFan (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all as WP:RECENTISM. Once again, a fighting event with no sources. Same page defenders, same poor arguments. The only independent source, Sherdog, merely reports routine results. No section of WP:EVENT has been met, all independent coverage is WP:ROUTINE. If page defenders spent as much time digging up sources as they did asserting notability in AfD and complaining about these processes, we could likely keep a few more. If King Kong were fighting Godzilla, we'd still need sources. BusterD (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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