Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-12 00:45Z 

Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

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Only slightly more notable than The Demented Cartoon Movie, which was deleted for non-notability. Delete Redirect to Neil Cicierega, never thought of that... Random th e Scrambled (?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 15:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect to Neil Cicierega. The song is arguably notable due to Dr. Demento's coverage, yes, but it's not notable enough to justify more than a section in Neil Cicierega. This is underscored by the fact that the only other media coverage cited,, is a profile of the author with only a passing mention of this flash. Not to mention that so much of this article is nothing but listcruft, trivia, and original research; Neil Cicierega already describes the flash concisely and sufficiently. Krimpet 16:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect to Neil Cicierega. Much like the Potter Puppet Pals, AfDed a week or so ago, this is better covered in Neil Cicierega's own article, and indeed a much better version of it is already there.  The big article seems to attract plenty of vandalism, and virtually nothing besides its existance is backed up by any reliable sources.  Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect Article has no verifiable independent references (only published reference appears to only mention this in passing and is an article about flash animation in general). Dugwiki 23:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks,


 * Comment: until now, the article didn't have an afd tag placed on it, which means that the people interested in the subject wouldn't have been able to see the concerns mentioned in this dicussion. Therefore it's relisted. - Bobet 14:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Random th e Scrambled (?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 15:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as per the same argument we brought up the last time this was nominated. This is not just a webtoon, it's a very popular comedy song and was the top song of 2006 on the Dr. Demento chart by a longshot!  VERY notable!  -- EmiOfBrie 04:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the song did chart and thus passes WP:MUSIC guidelines. However, this article is rife with original research and unverifiable claims and "trivia"; if edited down only to verifiable facts, this article would have no more content than Neil Cicierega does now, hence why redirecting would be a good solution. Krimpet 05:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. It is a notable internet culture meme.  We may as well prod the Star Wars kid for AfD, or Numa Numa.
 * Keep and shorten by a lot. It's a notable meme, but the current article's level of detail is hopelessly crufty. --Sneftel 17:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect The animation, while perhaps popular, is not notable. The comparisons (above) to "Star Wars Kid" and "Numa Numa" are inappropriate, as each of the other two internet phenomena have spawned parodies, tributes, etc.  This article is basically a vanity page. Jiggz84 18:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Showdown has spawned parodies as well, the most popular among them being The Ultimate Orgy of Homosexuality, but it seems any time someone puts a link up to it or it even gets so mush as a mention, it gets reverted O.o  There is also the tribute to it in Destroy All humans 2 that's mentioned in the trivia section  -- EmiOfBrie 18:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The only thing is, how credible of a link is the parody of a parody?  bibliomaniac 1  5  22:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Showdown doesn't parody any particular song. It's a Lemon Demon original as far as I'm aware.  -- EmiOfBrie 04:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This should absolutely have an article. Most internet memes have articles and this one is well written.  It's popular enough to be notable and should stay around 24.107.6.167 06:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
 * As WP:N describes, though, popularity does not render a subject notable, multiple secondary sources do. It has been established that the artist is notable, and the song charting means it meets WP:MUSIC and merits a mention on the artist's page. However, no secondary sources have confirmed its notability as an "internet meme" worthy of its own separate article. Krimpet 06:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as a highly notable meme. Has anyone tried searching LexisNexis and other news databases for this subject?  Yamaguchi先生 08:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.