Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultimatum (novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Richard Rohmer. Consensus that there shouldn't be an article here. Any useful content can be merged from the history. T. Canens (talk) 07:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Ultimatum (novel)

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Unsourced plot-only article about a probably non-notable book failing WP:PLOT, WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG. It seems to be an interesting book, but that description would be better hosted on a book review site. The article could be retained by radically trimming the plot and adding sourced context information - but I wasn't able to find such sources. GermanJoe (talk) 19:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Richard Rohmer though needs plot editing. It may well be notable but sources will be 1970s Canadian newspapers: it was the best-selling novel in Canada in 1973. I found a review in an academic journal but I don't have access to it. Colapeninsula (talk) 09:45, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  Talk   09:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ☮  JAaron95  Talk   15:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I see no need to merge, since the article about him lists the books but doesn't include plots (as it shouldn't). We've recently been cleaning up around this author here at AfD, and I see this as part of this cleanup. This book is held in about ~140 libraries (worldwide, acc. to Worldcat), which is no where near "bestseller" level. I find no evidence of reviews beyond the one discovered by JAaron95. That one was in a small-ish journal of Canadian culture, which to me doesn't bring the book to WP:NBOOK notability. LaMona (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ref #1, which looks like a fairly detailed and accurate source, mentions the sales number: "Ultimatum sold close to 30,000 copies". Similar to Separation (novel) we could retain the basic lead information in the main article (not sure if that still counts as "merge"). Ref #1 calls it his "most popular novel", so a short mention with a few details would certainly be OK. But I agree, that the lengthy plot is unnecessary. GermanJoe (talk) 01:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.