Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulvi Bajarani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus appears to be that Bajarani is notable and the issues of the article can be addressed editorially. Ulvi95, you're welcome to provide sources and edit requests on the Talk, but please do not edit the article directly. Star  Mississippi  02:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Ulvi Bajarani

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This article seems to be a list of wins for a chess player so fails WP:PROMO. Unsure if being named on a chess results page counts for notability if not will fail WP:GNG as remaining references are not independent of the subject. Carver1889 (talk) 13:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Carver1889 (talk) 13:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the Chess-Results.com, it is the hugest database of tournaments created in Swiss-Manager chess program. Most of the official and open tournaments are uploaded to the chess-results.com, so it might be considered a reliable source. Additionally, I used to have the site ulvichess.az where I covered the notable results of Azerbaijani players playing in various tournaments. During the writing, I checked Vasif Durarbayli article to have some solid basis of how to write.
 * In my opinion, the article might be updated in the following ways:
 * Using more neutral tone (for example, changing "he won" to the 1st place;
 * Reducing some results that might not be verified (for example, U10 Baku Championships)
 * With regards, Ulvi Bajarani Ulvi95(talk) 17:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. This one is directly addressed in WP:NCHESS which states: A chess player is presumed to meet the general notability guideline if they have been awarded the title of grandmaster. Ulvi95 (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, I hadn't found WP:NCHESS before nomination relying instead on WP:GNG. I still feel this is worthy of delete due to WP:PROMO. Currently it has been written by a WP:COI editor (see struck out reply above signed as Ulvi Bajarani, the subject of the page at AfD). Struck out reply also indicates that some of the tournament results are unverifiable, those should be removed. Additionally, sources that are not independent or promotional should be removed (such as the website ulvichess.az operated by the subject and “The excellence page of Ulvi Bajarani”). If this article was kept I would suggest to maintain WP:NPOV the current author finds a willing volunteer at WP:CHESS to help them. Carver1889 (talk) 19:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Carver1889 Yes, I agree that I have supposed to write in a bit neutral tone, so please help with the edition if it is possible. Regarding the excellence page, I wanted to prove that I studied at UTRGV. About the source ulvichess.az, the site was covered the news with Azerbaijani players being successful in various tournaments, not the site where I tried to promote myself strictly (the information about me was the only one dedicated to me).
 * With regards, Ulvi Bajarani Ulvi95 (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * no WP:CANVASing please. Jacona (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I generally agree with User:Carver1889. Per Autobiography, it is strongly discouraged to write your autobiography in Wikipedia.


 * Having said that, I admit that we have to consider the notability of the subject. WP:NCHESS is not authoritative, it is only a guide as to what things are likely to be notable.  Because Bajarani is a GM, one may guess a priori that there is enough coverage of his chess achievements to make him notable, but in an actual article, one must cite such coverage.


 * The general guideline as to what sources can be cited is WP:RS. For a biography of a chess player, bare tournament crosstables, such as are found in chess-results.com, or the USCF MSA database of tournament results, do not by themselves demonstrate notability.  I think that the citation of theweekinchess.com and the citation of movqe.az might be usable for this purpose.  Autobiographical sources, such as ulvichess.az and the "excellence page" at utrgv.edu, are not helpful -- citing your autobiography is frowned upon as much as writing your autobiography in the article.  Searching with Google for "Ulvi Bajarani", I have found some articles that may be helpful: , , .  However I admit that my search has been superficial.


 * As noted by User:Carver1889, this article must be mostly written by one or more other Wikipedia editors, persons who are not you (Ulvi) or related to you. I will try to help with this, but cannot commit to such a project at this time.  Bruce leverett (talk) 01:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bruce leverett Thank you for your answer. Yes, it will be good if someone might help me with the page related to me because I don't have a huge experience in writing Wikipedia articles. As it might be seen, I am not against of this. Just due to lack of experience, the article submitted by me was poor. Ulvi95 (talk) 02:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep with major revisions The article needs to be brought in line with WP:PROMO. But the subject is definitely notable. He meets two of the WP:NCHESS criteria in being a grandmaster and having won the 2014 Azerbaijan championship, which is much more significant than the average national championship – Azerbaijan is a chess powerhouse, currently ranked #6 in the world (by average rating of its top ten players). This interview on Oxu constitutes significant coverage. The Azerbaijan State News Agency has regularly reported on his achievements, and so has azerisport.com. Cobblet (talk) 03:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


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