Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulvik Lutheran Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Jayjg (talk) 02:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Ulvik Lutheran Church

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I couldn't find any sources to help this building pass WP:GNG. The article's creator contested the prod by adding three external links, but one isn't in English and the other two appear to be about different subjects. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nominating an article about an 800-plus year old Norwegian church that has solid Norwegian (bokmål)‬ and Norwegian (nynorsk)‬ Wikipedia articles about it within 14 hours of its creation and practically no time for article improvement is disruptive to the editing and improving of Wikipedia. There are extensive secondary works about this topic   and there appears to be a entire books about this topic. .  Another example of why WP:BEFORE needs to be an absolute rule. --Oakshade (talk) 02:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be disruptive if I nominated it in bad faith, which I didn't, even if it has only been up a small amount of time. Do you have any reliable English-language sources to add? (By the way, I'm familiar with WP:BEFORE.) THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 07:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No I do not have English-language sources on this topic, which has nothing to do with notability. As you are familiar with WP:BEFORE, I strongly advise adhering to it before nominating an article for deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 15:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - But back off Oakshade. There's no bad faith here, and badgering people who are trying to help out the encyclopedia about WP:BEFORE is not helpful. Shadowjams (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rushing to an AfD without doing even simple research which is much quicker and easier than creating an AfD is not helpful to an encyclopedia, which was my original point.--Oakshade (talk) 12:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Subject is notable. The information has reliable sources. There's no criteria that the information has to be available in English. In this case though at least two of the provided links contain relevant information on the subject in English. For the bulk of the information from Norwegian sources you will just have to trust in the competence of other wikipedians if you don't have it yourself. Article should be improved though. Inge (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. English sources are preferred but not required. The sources given in this AFD establish notability. Rettetast (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Notability well established, non-English sources are not a reason to delete. Mjroots (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Site of historical significance, mentioned in Store norske leksikon et. al. As per above, lack of English sources is not a criterion for deletion, but in this case, English sources seem to be present as well. decltype (talk) 09:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have moved the article too Ulvik Church. Rettetast (talk) 09:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with the page move; there is no reason to specify the denomination for normal parish churches in Norway. For subjects such as this (historic churches or other buildings), high-quality scholarly sources are usually in the national language (Norwegian in this case), with the odd summary or tourist-oriented web page in English or German or other languages. --Hegvald (talk) 14:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.